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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: White Rabbit on October 26, 2025, 07:50:36 AM
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Couple observations from being trackside last night at Mohawk 1st Mohawk and the crew put on a great production. 2 nd I listen John Rallis interviewing Ron early in the night and he asked about Louprint Ronnie cam right out , I don’t know what you guys saw last week in the PP but he was super raced super and you don’t know what your talking about. 3rd Post parade analysis during the 3 CP Randy ‘ hey am not saying the horse looks lame or off he just doesn’t look like he did Cup night , he had no swagger.
4th from being around Ron B at Meadow most of his career he never miss
is chance for a post race win interview when he’s track side. I was there on the apron for Searock and unless my 78 yr old eyes just instantly went bad no RB in the circle. Perhaps he was picking Randy Waples brain seeing if he had insight on Louprint 2 off performances. Randy did point it out both weeks.
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I saw the Burke interview. He did not look happy. It was if he knew it wouldn't be a dominant Burke night.
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Detention Barn is an equalizer.
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lol yeah
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I also thought he looked like he got up on the wrong side of the bed.
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I also thought he looked like he got up on the wrong side of the bed.
I have noticed many times Burke shows zero emotion and almost like interviews in nuisance to him and then he just going through the motions
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I'm also sure he's tired of being asked the same questions all the time. When Brian Sears was still driving, he seemed annoyed when he had to do interviews.
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so the sports biggest star Louprint who 2 weeks ago touted as perhaps one of the greatest of all time pulls a no show with another questionable drive and Burke doesnt show up to talk up Searoc, a horse with alot of talent and wins but one who has basically avoided the grand circuit for cleaning up on the sire stakes circuit.
absolutely no one even wondering what the fuck is wrong with Louprint. I thought he threw in some steps around that first turn
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the real story on lou print will come out later
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Couple observations from being trackside last night at Mohawk 1st Mohawk and the crew put on a great production. 2 nd I listen John Rallis interviewing Ron early in the night and he asked about Louprint Ronnie cam right out , I don’t know what you guys saw last week in the PP but he was super raced super and you don’t know what your talking about. 3rd Post parade analysis during the 3 CP Randy ‘ hey am not saying the horse looks lame or off he just doesn’t look like he did Cup night , he had no swagger.
4th from being around Ron B at Meadow most of his career he never miss
is chance for a post race win interview when he’s track side. I was there on the apron for Searock and unless my 78 yr old eyes just instantly went bad no RB in the circle. Perhaps he was picking Randy Waples brain seeing if he had insight on Louprint 2 off performances. Randy did point it out both weeks.
Two things:
1 - I also found it crazy not a Burke to be seen in the WC for Searoc - they were both warming horses up during the celebration but I also suspect he would have been there if Louprint won.
2 - Everyone seems to want to give Randy a hard time on this board but you're kidding yourselves if you don't think he brings a useful perspective to the equation. You don't sit behind that many horses and not have a good eye for some of the intangibles a program reader doesn't necessarily have.
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Very much like Karl went from a potential value of $25-$40mm to a minor fraction of that since he did not carry his "King of the Hill" all the way through to the end, Louprint just went from a potential value perhaps even greater than that (if he had continued) to, again, much less and this would have been across the board for the Burke Brigade. Sippinonsearoc was the fastest 2yo every last year and now has won the Breeders' Crown, but is by Downbytheseaside and Princess Anne M, so while he could be considered for a top regional sire, certainly not like Louprint (for whom they own a good chunk of the Sire, the dam and for whom they were the breeders). They gave 77,000 for Sippinonasearoc at the Lexington Select. Also, looking at the ownership group for Sippin, it would appear that unlike Louprint, who is owned by the Burke Brigade (Burke, Weaver Bruscemi, Collura) + Larry Kerr, Sippin's ownership may be a bit more "diluted" for the Burke Brigade, as it has Burke, Weaver Bruscemi, PA&rR A S racing LLc, Powell, OH and Knox Services, Mt. Vernon, OH.
I think the loss of a potential $25mm asset could account for some of the angry look that Burke had immediately following the race.
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Ronnie was probably pissed because he knew he fucked up. The drive on Louprint was totally his fault. No horse could of done what he told Wrenn to
do. They were eight across leaving and he told Wrenn to go down the road and take no prisoners. It was an impossible task. If he would have let Wrenn drive his own race maybe he could have worked out a trip and got the job done.
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A trainer can tell you anything he wants but it's still up to the driver once the race starts. If he told him to go down the road and take no prisoners, Wrenn did a poor job of leaving the gate. His race was basically over in the 1st turn.
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Ronnie was probably pissed because he knew he fucked up. The drive on Louprint was totally his fault. No horse could of done what he told Wrenn to
do. They were eight across leaving and he told Wrenn to go down the road and take no prisoners. It was an impossible task. If he would have let Wrenn drive his own race maybe he could have worked out a trip and got the job done.
Everyone just assumed Louprint would win even with that post. My response was Wrenn needed to take Louprint to the pylons then make his move after the first turn. The first turn at Mohawk is a killer. It is still a 5/8 track turn.
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I’ve been at track for most of races by louprint. He did not warm up like he usually does. On the flip side, Sippin on seroc warmed up tremendous. I’m sure there will be a good reason why Louprint not himself on saturday nite. Like another poster said, He did get a lil steppy going into first turn. Hopefully it’s nothing serious and we’ll see the real Louprint before the year is over.
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More races are lost in the first quarter than in the last quarter. !!!
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I’ve been at track for most of races by louprint. He did not warm up like he usually does. On the flip side, Sippin on seroc warmed up tremendous. I’m sure there will be a good reason why Louprint not himself on saturday nite. Like another poster said, He did get a lil steppy going into first turn. Hopefully it’s nothing serious and we’ll see the real Louprint before the year is over.
Parked the entire 1:47.3 mile is why he had nothing at the end of the mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKB0kv2ehc
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i always thought seroc was the best of the bunch. ever since he became a world champion at 2.
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i always thought seroc was the best of the bunch. ever since he became a world champion at 2.
When at his best, I think Louprint is the top colt, but searoc is definitely a high-quality animal who deserved a signature win.
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Parked the entire 1:47.3 mile is why he had nothing at the end of the mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKB0kv2ehc
Correct
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Aside from the conjecture, Burke simply had to be disappointed. His top ranked, undefeated 3yo colt gets beat in the elimination, although he wins if the race goes another step or two. Then he comes back and gets beat in the final. Call it racing luck, bad trip, whatever. Burke had to be disappointed. If he's not, he's in the wrong business, LOL. He's very competitive. He expects to win. Stablemate wins, different ownership, stallion deal, and so on. Unless you're his best friend, therapist, or whatever, it's all conjecture, LOL.
I think Wrenn was indecisive heading into the first turn. He hesitated. But, that's easy to say after the fact and from the grandstand. He was the leader of the pack and drove him well through an undefeated 10 starts this year. But with this colt part of driving him well is simply keeping him out of trouble. But that ain't gonna cut it in the big dances. Not always. Listen, super nice colt. The best in class this year. But nobody was talking about him like a SBSW, not has a horse and not as a stallion. If they want to make a stallion out of him, and he's OK, Burke will race him back and showcase him to overcome the disappointing BC. I guess we'll see.
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Aside from the conjecture, Burke simply had to be disappointed. His top ranked, undefeated 3yo colt gets beat in the elimination, although he wins if the race goes another step or two. Then he comes back and gets beat in the final. Call it racing luck, bad trip, whatever. Burke had to be disappointed. If he's not, he's in the wrong business, LOL. He's very competitive. He expects to win. Stablemate wins, different ownership, stallion deal, and so on. Unless you're his best friend, therapist, or whatever, it's all conjecture, LOL.
I think Wrenn was indecisive heading into the first turn. He hesitated. But, that's easy to say after the fact and from the grandstand. He was the leader of the pack and drove him well through an undefeated 10 starts this year. But with this colt part of driving him well is simply keeping him out of trouble. But that ain't gonna cut it in the big dances. Not always. Listen, super nice colt. The best in class this year. But nobody was talking about him like a SBSW, not has a horse and not as a stallion. If they want to make a stallion out of him, and he's OK, Burke will race him back and showcase him to overcome the disappointing BC. I guess we'll see.
But he DID win, keep in mind. I think the no-show in the winner's circle is a bit unprofessional, personally. I know there's some common ownership, but not all. I think i'd be a bit miffed if my horse won the BC final and the trainer wasn't in the WC to celebrate, because he was disappointed by another in the same stable's performance. But that's simply my opinion.
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maybee raycez git har dur wen u dont draw da gud post evree tyme. maybee wut happind mid week wuz a factur
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But he DID win, keep in mind. I think the no-show in the winner's circle is a bit unprofessional, personally. I know there's some common ownership, but not all. I think i'd be a bit miffed if my horse won the BC final and the trainer wasn't in the WC to celebrate, because he was disappointed by another in the same stable's performance. But that's simply my opinion.
Ron Burke is a hillbilly, plain and simple. He just has the gas to make them go, plain and simple.
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No gas needed, he'll race him back. Race him next year I doubt it, he's got another stallion. I don't think that race will define his career one way or another. Maybe the wrong horse won, Ronnie still won the race and the $
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- Burke more or less acted the same way last year when Searock almost caught LouPrint at the wire in the BC Final. Said he was happier that LouPrint won since he was a homebred and by Sweet Lou
- The loss may have cost LouPrint horse of the year
- I think the elim loss and way Jason drove Dandy Ideal paved the way for the final. He wasn’t scared and then others saw that. Prior to that LouPrint was afforded the opportunity to make it to the front easily and in whatever way he wanted. I think drivers get lazy with these top horses that overpower.
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But he DID win, keep in mind. I think the no-show in the winner's circle is a bit unprofessional, personally. I know there's some common ownership, but not all. I think i'd be a bit miffed if my horse won the BC final and the trainer wasn't in the WC to celebrate, because he was disappointed by another in the same stable's performance. But that's simply my opinion.
I know he won. As far as your thoughts on RB's actions being unprofessional, you being miffed, etc.; fair enough. I can see that.
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I know he won. As far as your thoughts on RB's actions being unprofessional, you being miffed, etc.; fair enough. I can see that.
I know you knew that tmbz1
The point I was trying to make is, one might expect the winning trainer to be in the winner's circle and given the circumstances, the impression it gave struck me as unprofessional. One might expect him to be gallant in defeat..which didn't even really happen, so even moreso.
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I think that Louprint's drivers pedigree started showing itself the last couple of starts.
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I think that Louprint's drivers pedigree started showing itself the last couple of starts.
That's a fair point. Wrenn drove him well all throughout the year, and most importantly, in the big dances when it takes a real driver to do that. The NA Cup and the Jug. In those two, he was by far the best, but Wrenn still had to face all comers when the big money was on the line. The Tattersalls and the PA Final, yes, he got the job done. The horse was still much the best. As the season goes on, it can take a toll, maybe some get a bit better, stronger, etc., one loses a step or two, others gain, and so on. It happens. Like the NA Cup, less perhaps with the Jug, but the BC is a stallion making race. Everyone is hoping to be at their best. It's different in October than it is in June.
Personally, and I said it on another thread, I think Wrenn was indecisive heading into the first turn. I think he hesitated. Yes, it's easy to say after the fact and from the grandstand. This horse was the head of the class and Wrenn drove him that way through 10 undefeated starts. Sometimes, just keeping a horse like this out of trouble is all it takes. But not in the big dances. Not always. He's a super nice horse. The best in class this year. But he's not one of the all-time greats, not as a racehorse, and not as a stallion, IMO.
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Burke wasn’t in winners circle because he was warming up swingtown and his brother on papis rocket. They were still working. they jogged by while winners circle pics were being taken
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There is no excuse for Burke not to be in the winners circle. This was the last Crown race he was in. On most nights he's not where most of the horses are racing and has people to warm up their horses.
Who cares if he is asked the same questions? The leaders in every sport go through that. The majority are gracious and arrogant like Ron. Burke laughed at Rallis and said you guys are crazy. That is when John said he and Randy thought Louprint didn't look the same last week. It is fine to disagree...but no need to be so dismissive. It is obvious how Ron thinks he's above anyone else.
I'm sure that made plenty happy to see Louprint finish up the track.
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One more thing that was mentioned. Bartlett is hungry and aggressive. He concedes nothing and makes you earn it. This shakes up the driving colony. It is for the better in my opinion.
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Ron is above anyone else. Check the standings.
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There is no excuse for Burke not to be in the winners circle. This was the last Crown race he was in. On most nights he's not where most of the horses are racing and has people to warm up their horses.
Who cares if he is asked the same questions? The leaders in every sport go through that. The majority are gracious and arrogant like Ron. Burke laughed at Rallis and said you guys are crazy. That is when John said he and Randy thought Louprint didn't look the same last week. It is fine to disagree...but no need to be so dismissive. It is obvious how Ron thinks he's above anyone else.
I'm sure that made plenty happy to see Louprint finish up the track.
Plenty of people were happy to see Louprint finish up the track? Are you delusional everyone bet him! ngc3 ngc3 Any no one should question anything Burke does he da best!
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I think the only people who were happy to see Louprint finish off the board were the people who won betting against him.....and then the bitter, angry, negative, etc., people.
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Plenty of people were happy to see Louprint finish up the track? Are you delusional everyone bet him! ngc3 ngc3 Any no one should question anything Burke does he da best!
You are delusional. Myself and anyone smart/paying attention bet against him. There is also a large portion of the Harness racing community that does not bet or no longer bets.
I'll agree with you Burke is da best at beating the system. No one is that much better than everyone else, never has a down year, and is more full of it.
Not a lifer and learned from a used car salesman. His father couldn't win a fixed race for many years.
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You are delusional. Myself and anyone smart/paying attention bet against him. There is also a large portion of the Harness racing community that does not bet or no longer bets.
I'll agree with you Burke is da best at beating the system. No one is that much better than everyone else, never has a down year, and is more full of it.
Not a lifer and learned from a used car salesman. His father couldn't win a fixed race for many years.
95% of bettors watching the race had Louprint on their tickets. You're just a DELUSIONAL DUMBASS and negative nellie!
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I think the only people who were happy to see Louprint finish off the board were people then the bitter, angry, negative, etc., people.
Thats seen2much!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Burke wasn’t in winners circle because he was warming up swingtown and his brother on papis rocket. They were still working. they jogged by while winners circle pics were being taken
i really thing they were debating on whether or not to pull their shoes. probably should have.
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maybee raycez git har dur wen u dont draw da gud post evree tyme. maybee wut happind mid week wuz a factur
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