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Title: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: The Answer on July 31, 2025, 11:39:57 PM
Who’s the better horse? I think Karl was a more impressive two year old. This year Maryland can catch up but HAS to win the Hambo to start.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: TimTimTimbo on August 01, 2025, 04:54:05 AM
I think Marland has less high speed than Karl but may be tougher. He was flying at the end of some of those 2yo races and the question is, did he improve enough at 3. He did run 26 his last quarter when running second to Nordic Catcher and should improve much more.

Now speaking of Nordic catcher, Ake said he has improved moe than a second each start and You know he wanted to leave on Saturday because he was upset at drawing 6 and said he would rather have #1 which the Americans don't like he said also. He said he would have had tons of speed to combat the one hole but he did say he can be driven harder. His Daddy went a WR at Red mile and he even commented on another video that the pacing blood appears to make him tougher. If he launches and goes to the front, he's gonna go like 53 and 4 to the half and then it's the survival of the fittest and you know Maryland should thrive off that pace. Better than Super Chapter IMO but i am only guessing from that I have seen. The fact that Dexter is choosing Maryland would point to the obvious, he thinks Maryland will win. If he's wrong then he will look a little foolish.

Ake also said Nordic Catcher will be without shoes.

If it's 1:49 instead of this 1:50-51 bullshit then those 2 should be 1st or 2nd IMO

Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Parked on August 01, 2025, 06:54:41 AM
If Nordic Catcher wins, the breeders will go into a deep state of depression as it will take all their talk away. 
Ake can make a Hereford trot in 55. 
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Detective Bonilla on August 01, 2025, 08:27:06 AM
Max Mearas is very sharp, and if there is a speed duel, Scotty Z will be licking his chops.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: JT on August 01, 2025, 09:16:49 AM
For Maryland to surpass Karl, 3 things probably need to happen
1:Win the hambo
2: Eclipse a million in earnings this season. Karl accomplished this at ages 2 and 3 and I think no other trotter had done that. Maryland made over a million as a 2 year old.
3: #1 and #2 would make them even. #3 is repeating in the breeders crown. This would definitely put Maryland over the top as a 2 time crown champion.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Chips N Salsa on August 01, 2025, 10:44:23 AM
Maryland far and away better horse better stallion prospect better everything.  Karl looks like a filly and was crippled from start of his career.  Well know fact he lived on the shock machine and only raced on two tracks his entire life.  Maryland is built like a stallion with much better pedigree and soundness. Plus look at who Karl raced against - a bunch of nothing.  Amazing Catch can't beat a nw5000 l6 and highland kismet isn't beating anyone.  Not one trotter from that crap is worth a nickel. 

He got the money and he can only race against who he can but he has no pedigree to speak of and he will not make a stud no matter what anyone says.  Diamond creek backed out when they seen the writing on the wall.

Maryland will be a better horse and better sire.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Papillon on August 01, 2025, 11:53:34 AM
Maryland far and away better horse better stallion prospect better everything.  Karl looks like a filly and was crippled from start of his career.  Well know fact he lived on the shock machine and only raced on two tracks his entire life.  Maryland is built like a stallion with much better pedigree and soundness. Plus look at who Karl raced against - a bunch of nothing.  Amazing Catch can't beat a nw5000 l6 and highland kismet isn't beating anyone.  Not one trotter from that crap is worth a nickel. 

He got the money and he can only race against who he can but he has no pedigree to speak of and he will not make a stud no matter what anyone says.  Diamond creek backed out when they seen the writing on the wall.

Maryland will be a better horse and better sire.

Mike Campbell will blow a head gasket when he sees this
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Trigger on August 01, 2025, 12:00:51 PM
Mike Campbell will blow a head gasket when he sees this

 ngc3

Not sure about that, I think the real Mike Campbell here was body snatched, I miss him, the current one lately is passive, reserved almost friendly.  It's creepy.  ;D 
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: JT on August 01, 2025, 12:26:44 PM

Mike Campbell will blow a head gasket when he sees this
He would probably disagree with my reasonable take and call me an idiot or dick breath ngc3..sorry had to edit. I can't wait for rainman to answer this question and to see Mike's response lol.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Trigger on August 01, 2025, 12:46:22 PM
He would probably disagree with my reasonable take and call me an idiot or dick breath ngc3

 ngc3

If that is what it's going to take, he can call me one too.   ;D
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Laag on August 02, 2025, 07:54:49 AM
besides the Hambo win, Karl really didnt do all that much the rest of the season. Sure it cemented his legacy from the year before but he was very ordinary after that. Maryland still has alot of improvement to go on. I would be shocked that win or lose today that he doesnt make way more money than Karl did post Hambo.

there is no way Nordic Catcher wins the Hambo. They are not going to let him snoozefest slow fractions and if he tries to park out Super Chapter or Emoticon in a wild speed duel like he did with Cuartro a few years back that horse will finish out of the money and another horse like Maryland will just go right on by.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: seen2much on August 02, 2025, 08:48:02 AM
Maryland is the tougher horse. He goes first up & battles. This has happened many times. I don't remember Karl going many tough trips.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 10:07:43 AM
 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Maryland has already lost more races in his limited career than KARL did lifetime. MORONS
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 10:54:59 AM
Maryland far and away better horse better stallion prospect better everything.  Karl looks like a filly and was crippled from start of his career.  Well know fact he lived on the shock machine and only raced on two tracks his entire life.  Maryland is built like a stallion with much better pedigree and soundness. Plus look at who Karl raced against - a bunch of nothing.  Amazing Catch can't beat a nw5000 l6 and highland kismet isn't beating anyone.  Not one trotter from that crap is worth a nickel. 

He got the money and he can only race against who he can but he has no pedigree to speak of and he will not make a stud no matter what anyone says.  Diamond creek backed out when they seen the writing on the wall.

Maryland will be a better horse and better sire.
What the fuck do you know. You forget, we know who you are. You can't get a license ANYWHERE  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3. First, you say KARL has no heart, then you say he has been lame his whole life. Any real horseman would say that a horse that was as lame as KARL and succeed like he did was loaded with heart. Instead, a jackass felon like you just bashes and hates because YOU GOT CAUGHT. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Papillon on August 02, 2025, 11:18:49 AM
and there goes the head gasket
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: rainman2 on August 02, 2025, 02:22:37 PM
and there goes the head gasket

99.9% of us know that KARL isn’t the best trotter of all time!

The more we post on this, the more head gaskets that will blow up!!

Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 05:13:34 PM
Maryland far and away better horse better stallion prospect better everything.  Karl looks like a filly and was crippled from start of his career.  Well know fact he lived on the shock machine and only raced on two tracks his entire life.  Maryland is built like a stallion with much better pedigree and soundness. Plus look at who Karl raced against - a bunch of nothing.  Amazing Catch can't beat a nw5000 l6 and highland kismet isn't beating anyone.  Not one trotter from that crap is worth a nickel. 

He got the money and he can only race against who he can but he has no pedigree to speak of and he will not make a stud no matter what anyone says.  Diamond creek backed out when they seen the writing on the wall.

Maryland will be a better horse and better sire.
try again jerk off.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: rainman2 on August 02, 2025, 05:37:19 PM
Maryland far and away better horse better stallion prospect better everything.  Karl looks like a filly and was crippled from start of his career.  Well know fact he lived on the shock machine and only raced on two tracks his entire life.  Maryland is built like a stallion with much better pedigree and soundness. Plus look at who Karl raced against - a bunch of nothing.  Amazing Catch can't beat a nw5000 l6 and highland kismet isn't beating anyone.  Not one trotter from that crap is worth a nickel. 

He got the money and he can only race against who he can but he has no pedigree to speak of and he will not make a stud no matter what anyone says.  Diamond creek backed out when they seen the writing on the wall.

Maryland will be a better horse and better sire.

I believe KARL was supposed to be in breeding shed in 2025. Is this correct?

Wasn’t KARL supposed to be racing in 2025?

Does MIKE know this pertinent information??

Another head gasket ready to explode shortly!!
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: rainman2 on August 02, 2025, 05:40:43 PM
try again jerk off.

You don’t have to act like a ‘jerk off’ when you respond back to people. Show a little bit of class and self dignity!

Is KARL racing in 2025??

Will KARL be in the breeding shed in 2026??
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Papillon on August 02, 2025, 05:44:17 PM
You don’t have to act like a ‘jerk off’ when you respond back to people. Show a little bit of class and self dignity!

Is KARL racing in 2025??

Will KARL be in the breeding shed in 2026??

he will be standing in Kentucky for the 2026 breeding season-they took out an ad on the M1 live feed today

I am not sure if Karl will be participating
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 05:53:26 PM
You don’t have to act like a ‘jerk off’ when you respond back to people. Show a little bit of class and self dignity!

Is KARL racing in 2025??

Will KARL be in the breeding shed in 2026??
He's a felon that doesn't command an ounce of respect. Same goes for a retard like you.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Parked on August 02, 2025, 05:54:11 PM
If Nordic Catcher wins, the breeders will go into a deep state of depression as it will take all their talk away. 
Ake can make a Hereford trot in 55.

I love it…. Thank you for the nice ticket..   
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: SDST2009 on August 02, 2025, 08:14:14 PM
If Nordic Catcher wins, the breeders will go into a deep state of depression as it will take all their talk away. 
Ake can make a Hereford trot in 55.

Better start passing out the Prozac ;D
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: SDST2009 on August 02, 2025, 08:36:02 PM
On paper, Maryland is absolutely the better stallion prospect. Much better bred. He, like Karl, eclipsed a million as a 2yo. Unlike Karl, did not win the Hambo. TBD if he remainder of his 3yo campaign turns to ash like Karl's. I personally believe it will not and he will do ok. I would absolutely breed a mare to Maryland and would not send one to Karl. In fact I am very curious to see where he lands, since HSF now owns part of Super Chapter I am guessing not there.

However..one really never knows who the next big sire will actually be. Just like not many people could predict a Six Pack would win the Hambo. Both the fun and frustration of the sport  tmbz1
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: The Answer on August 02, 2025, 08:38:54 PM
There’s no doubt now that Karl is the better horse. Not the greatest of all time but in the modern age of racing with the speeds they go it’s really tough if not impossible to dominate at two and three. Karl was a great two year old and very good three year old. The Hambo winner always gets extra credit. They have been collecting him and will breed mares on frozen sperm collected.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: The Answer on August 02, 2025, 08:45:47 PM
There’s no doubt now that Karl is the better horse. Not the greatest of all time but in the modern age of racing with the speeds they go it’s really tough if not impossible to dominate at two and three. Karl was a great two year old and very good three year old. The Hambo winner always gets extra credit. They have been collecting him and will breed mares on frozen sperm collected.

On paper yes Maryland is better bred. C7 and Walner have both done amazing not coming fron best of families. Karl had blazing speed at two. Maryland is fast but hasn’t grown much between two and three. Karl with his long legs will be a perfect fit for C7 mares.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: rainman2 on August 02, 2025, 09:26:53 PM
He's a felon that doesn't command an ounce of respect. Same goes for a retard like you.

Take a good look in the mirror as who the 'retard' actually is!

Do you get your 'JOLLIES' calling people names because you don't like their comments?

It's time to stop acting like a little kid and grow up!

This is horseplop.  If you can dish it out, you better learn to take it also!
I have to take it and dish it out too!  It doesn't bother me any as I take it from the source who says it as to the validity of the comments.

Don't blame others because you say things here and cause your own problems!
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Kole Hanover on August 02, 2025, 10:28:38 PM
there is no way Nordic Catcher wins the Hambo. They are not going to let him snoozefest slow fractions and if he tries to park out Super Chapter or Emoticon in a wild speed duel like he did with Cuartro a few years back that horse will finish out of the money and another horse like Maryland will just go right on by.

  Hmm, confident & all
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 03, 2025, 12:36:07 AM
You're all a bunch of ass wipes. When Karl won the Hambo last year, every one of you douchebags said he got lucky due to a perfect trip. Yeah, like that was his fault. This year, you sick fucks claim Maryland is a better horse. So what happens? Maryland gets a picture perfect trip on a beautiful day, unlike the monsoon Karl raced in last year and is life and death to finish third. LOSERS!!  ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: rainman2 on August 03, 2025, 06:53:19 AM
You're all a bunch of ass wipes. When Karl won the Hambo last year, every one of you douchebags said he got lucky due to a perfect trip. Yeah, like that was his fault. This year, you sick fucks claim Maryland is a better horse. So what happens? Maryland gets a picture perfect trip on a beautiful day, unlike the monsoon Karl raced in last year and is life and death to finish third. LOSERS!!  ngc3 ngc3
m

Speaking of ‘asswipes’—look in the mirror at yourself!!We’re all looking at the biggest LOSER that has a KARL ‘fetish’!
Nice horse-yes!  Best of all time—FAR FROM IT
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Papillon on August 03, 2025, 08:46:59 AM
besides the Hambo win, Karl really didnt do all that much the rest of the season. Sure it cemented his legacy from the year before but he was very ordinary after that. Maryland still has alot of improvement to go on. I would be shocked that win or lose today that he doesnt make way more money than Karl did post Hambo.

there is no way Nordic Catcher wins the Hambo. They are not going to let him snoozefest slow fractions and if he tries to park out Super Chapter or Emoticon in a wild speed duel like he did with Cuartro a few years back that horse will finish out of the money and another horse like Maryland will just go right on by.

how did that work out for you Mr. Horse Whisperer.. ngc3.......he went first over and was much the best

same as when Wiggle it Jiggleit dominated all year-you pissed on him his entire career
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Laag on August 03, 2025, 11:11:32 AM
sorry you must have me confused with another poster re Wiggle...although I hope you arent talking about the year that Miki kicked his ass

anyhow on Nordic Catcher...who knew that the drivers would be so dumb to fall into the trap they did once Go Dog Go left. Yannick not retaking with Super Chapter was criminal and likely caused him his 2nd Hambo. Maryland didnt have it in the stretch. Ake had the track to his liking..who expected that nefarious plotting to go on.
Title: Re: Karl vs Maryland
Post by: Papillon on August 03, 2025, 11:59:13 AM
sorry you must have me confused with another poster re Wiggle...although I hope you arent talking about the year that Miki kicked his ass

anyhow on Nordic Catcher...who knew that the drivers would be so dumb to fall into the trap they did once Go Dog Go left. Yannick not retaking with Super Chapter was criminal and likely caused him his 2nd Hambo. Maryland didnt have it in the stretch. Ake had the track to his liking..who expected that nefarious plotting to go on.

 ngc3

the year was 2016 and WIJI was a 4yo

head to haed WIJI finished AHEAD of Always B Miki more than the other way around-so if that is "kicking his ass all year"--well you are entitled to that view

you are/were upset that WIJI was bred,owned, trained by Teague and driven by Montrell
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