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Title: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: Bitter Truth on July 01, 2025, 07:04:53 PM
Is it a sign of a diminishing mystique of the race or the unwillingness of connections of
lesser horses to contribute with minuscule chances or both?
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: The Answer on July 01, 2025, 07:45:19 PM
If there’s five horses definitely better than yours you need to look for another race.
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: JT on July 02, 2025, 08:26:23 AM
Three of the really good Burke horses are racing in the Ohio Sires Stakes this Saturday. Swingtown pp9 race 8, Sippinonsearoc pp9 race 12 and who I think is the best of the 3.. Rick Wink pp3 race 12. It'll be interesting to see which horse Chris Page chooses to drive in race 12. It's a loaded card at Scioto this coming Saturday.
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on July 02, 2025, 08:52:42 AM
The mystique, stature, or whatever you want to call it is still dictated by the owners and breeders. It' still a stallion-maker race. Maybe not this year, LOL. This time, I think it's partially a one off, but also I think another contributory factor is the horse population, competing races/tracks, etc. I am curious how much, if at all, the states coordinator and race office made phone calls. What I do think is pathetic is what they've allowed with the purse.

Prep race for those who need it:

CAPTAIN OPTIMISTIC
FALLOUT
JOEL AND THE JETS
KNOCKOUT ROUND
LOUPRINT
MADDEN OAKS
MANOLETE
PAPIS PISTOL
PAPI’S ROCKET
PRINCE HAL HANOVER
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: Anakin on July 02, 2025, 09:28:48 AM
Three of the really good Burke horses are racing in the Ohio Sires Stakes this Saturday. Swingtown pp9 race 8, Sippinonsearoc pp9 race 12 and who I think is the best of the 3.. Rick Wink pp3 race 12. It'll be interesting to see which horse Chris Page chooses to drive in race 12. It's a loaded card at Scioto this coming Saturday.

Good question, but none of his Ohio colts are actually eligible to the Meadowlands Pace.
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: LUCPARK on July 02, 2025, 06:02:43 PM
Staking fees too high

Plus the staking at 2.  To make sure your even eligible at 3

Is another example of Jeffrey fvkin the owners
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: The Answer on July 02, 2025, 07:13:27 PM
Staking fees too high

Plus the staking at 2.  To make sure your even eligible at 3

Is another example of Jeffrey fvkin the owners

Adios, Little Brown Jug, Tattersall, Breeders Crown etc etc etc all have 2 year old payments. Gural actually offers a very reasonable 7.5k supplement for The Pace at 3.
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: JT on July 02, 2025, 07:55:49 PM
To answer the original question posted by Bitter Truth, the entries may be down because some of these horses, including the Burke horses need to accumulate points for the sire stake finals. Some of these sire stakes finals go for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Also maybe Burke sees Louprint as his best 3 year old, as he should, and doesn't want his others i.e. Swingtown or Sippinonsearoc competing against Louprint whenever possible.  The lucrative sire stakes program, especially in Ohio, Kentucky and Pennsylvania in my opinion have pulled horses away from some major stakes races and the triple crown races.
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: Papillon on July 02, 2025, 08:14:08 PM
to make the race more interesting.....


whoever leads at the 1/4 pole receives $10k

whoever leads at the half receives $15k

whoever leads at the 3/4 receives $25k

just take that $50k from the final purse





Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: Mazola on July 02, 2025, 08:16:39 PM
to make the race more interesting.....


whoever leads at the 1/4 pole receives $10k

whoever leads at the half receives $15k

whoever leads at the 3/4 receives $25k

just take that $50k from the final purse

I like it just like the new FedEx format on PGA
Title: Re: Meadowlands Pace No Elims
Post by: hoosierboy on July 02, 2025, 09:20:01 PM
to make the race more interesting.....


whoever leads at the 1/4 pole receives $10k

whoever leads at the half receives $15k

whoever leads at the 3/4 receives $25k

just take that $50k from the final purse

Great idea
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