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Title: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Mazola on June 28, 2025, 11:00:49 PM
Nice drive by Tim.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: hammer0419 on June 28, 2025, 11:07:05 PM
Jason Bartlett is brain damaged.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 28, 2025, 11:09:13 PM
Nice drive by Tim.

Very nice indeed, surged by the 1/9 like she was standing still.

Twin B Joe Fresh might need some R & R, she's still queen of NA, just not tonight.

Great day for bridge jumpers, so many locks either won or hit the board, T-breds, Thorpedo Anna in a 5 horse field, 1/4 not even 1/9 but show pool open too and she murdered them for fun.  Sick!   ngc3
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Elvis Yellowfeet on June 28, 2025, 11:54:37 PM
HUGE driver change.  From Boxed in Bob to Tetrick is like going from pig shit to ice cream.   
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Kenny on June 28, 2025, 11:55:37 PM
McClure to Tetrick
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on June 28, 2025, 11:56:48 PM
McClure to Tetrick
    100% the difference. 
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 29, 2025, 12:11:03 AM
Y'all are ALL 100% correct!!!  tmbz1

McClueless stayed in Canada and won 1, with 3 of the top 3 drivers out tonight.

Eventually the trainers are going to realize he isn't focused, and listening, the head just bobs up and down like its on a spring! 

Move him to the Mohawk valet parking as an attendant, he wouldn't know the difference!   ngc3

Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Birdfantammy on June 29, 2025, 12:48:31 PM
Y'all are ALL 100% correct!!!  tmbz1

McClueless stayed in Canada and won 1, with 3 of the top 3 drivers out tonight.

Eventually the trainers are going to realize he isn't focused, and listening, the head just bobs up and down like its on a spring! 

Move him to the Mohawk valet parking as an attendant, he wouldn't know the difference!   ngc3

This post deserves an award!   I laughed so hard reading this !  Spot on!  Bobblehead Bob is WORTHLESS.  Btw..has he ever been back to Meadowlands?  Don't think he has. 
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 29, 2025, 12:56:12 PM
This post deserves an award!   I laughed so hard reading this !  Spot on!  Bobblehead Bob is WORTHLESS.  Btw..has he ever been back to Meadowlands?  Don't think he has.

Is there any possibility he's actually being operated via remote control?  ngc3
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: White Rabbit on June 29, 2025, 07:10:45 PM
Not making excuses, but TBJFcoming off the track into the paddock last night did look like the horse I watched walk back into the paddock at Mohawk last week. Best races are when both mares are 100%. I don’t think it’s the driver change, Timmy drove her last year with little success against TBJF. That also being said I don’t think SH last year was ever a 100 % all year.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Papillon on June 30, 2025, 10:04:23 AM
Very nice indeed, surged by the 1/9 like she was standing still.

Twin B Joe Fresh might need some R & R, she's still queen of NA, just not tonight.

Great day for bridge jumpers, so many locks either won or hit the board, T-breds, Thorpedo Anna in a 5 horse field, 1/4 not even 1/9 but show pool open too and she murdered them for fun.  Sick!   ngc3

huh?

R & R from what?

the mare raced raced twice in 2025 before Saturday nights race

it wasn't her night--she was 2nd best, giving the winner a perfect trip



Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Elvis Yellowfeet on June 30, 2025, 10:13:01 AM
Not making excuses, but TBJFcoming off the track into the paddock last night did look like the horse I watched walk back into the paddock at Mohawk last week. Best races are when both mares are 100%. I don’t think it’s the driver change, Timmy drove her last year with little success against TBJF. That also being said I don’t think SH last year was ever a 100 % all year.


You don’t think it’s the driver change???   If a horse dropped 3 seconds with a driver change from Nick Clegg to Dexter Dunn would you also think it wasn’t the driver change?
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 10:30:13 AM
huh?

R & R from what?

the mare raced raced twice in 2025 before Saturday nights race

it wasn't her night--she was 2nd best, giving the winner a perfect trip
"It wasn't her night" for sure!   tmbz1

(Maybe she ate some bad Mexican food in Canada before coming back to the states.  ngc3)

I did see her qualifiers and races before making that comment.

I also said "might", was not definitive just a thought from a feeling.

We all know a lot of work and emphasis goes into the horse behind the scenes we do not see on paper.  Maybe she wants to lounge around a pasture, maybe her fertility is sending her a message and she wants to retire and be knocked up.  Maybe...

It's possible it could be the opposite where she needs some more work under her belt to come into top consistent form.

If the connections speak up, otherwise when she would race next.  She's been the best pacing Mare we've had in Standardbred racing, she ain't the Zenyatta equivalent though....TBC...

Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: mwins on June 30, 2025, 12:03:33 PM
Not a fan, but Bob did win a race they call The Hambletonian.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 12:10:45 PM
Not a fan, but Bob did win a race they call The Hambletonian.

Nobody said he was a never was.

He's also had some injury setbacks.  However if the talent is there, when you come back it's all and more is waiting for you. 

A window in time not too long ago and he was JMac's, McNair's, Roy's competition for the top spot, and a logical contender in any too close too handicap and get down on race.

Maybe his model needs an upgrade and or new batteries, a new user at the remote control, because he is still young and atrocious for quite sometime. 

Some guys won the hambo and are dead now, what's bobble's excuse?  ngc3

Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: White Rabbit on June 30, 2025, 12:24:06 PM

You don’t think it’s the driver change???   If a horse dropped 3 seconds with a driver change from Nick Clegg to Dexter Dunn would you also think it wasn’t the driver change?
Last when TT drove . PRC against inferior company, next week Meads against TBJF 5 th by 5
03-AUG-2024   M M   A   15         SY -2   L LIBERTY         M   $202,778   26.3   53.3   1:21.3   1:48   3   4°/2   1/1Q   2/1   2/4H   5/5H   1:49   27.1       $9,632   1.90   TETRICK,TIM A   STEACY,MARK
21-JUL-2024   PRC F   A   7         FT   BARTON         M   $136,986   26.3   53.3   1:21.1   1:48.2   1   3/1H   1/1   1/2   1/2   1/1T   1:48.2   27.1       $66,438   *0.20   TETRICK,TIM A   STEACY,MARK
SH was second week before @ Mohawk too TBJF 49 home 26 Saturday 48 home 26 , no 3 second difference.
With that logic Chantilly would 45 with a drive change
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 12:37:10 PM
Last when TT drove . PRC against inferior company, next week Meads against TBJF 5 th by 5

With that logic Chantilly would 45 with a drive change

Bobble getting a dc, and JMac on Chantilly getting a dc is as dumb an argument as they come.  JMac is a top guy in NA.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: mwins on June 30, 2025, 03:41:18 PM
Bobble getting a dc, and JMac on Chantilly getting a dc is as dumb an argument as they come.  JMac is a top guy in NA.

This ^^^

So many people still under estimate just how good JMac is.
Top 5 in North America and it's not even an argument.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 03:55:50 PM
This ^^^

So many people still under estimate just how good JMac is.
Top 5 in North America and it's not even an argument.

And before the stat guys come out, nigga's please, I'd take a healthy, focused, motivated Jody Jamieson anytime. 

Shows REAL LOVE to the fans too! 

Stats, even just gobbling up wins and money when you get to the top and you typically get the pick of the litter, there is so much more to not underestimate i.e. relationships on and off the track, savvy, experience, confidence, explosive motivation...the driver / horse connection (symbiosis) that comes naturally to a handful that make them the best drivers in the world, ever.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: AgentQ on June 30, 2025, 05:00:50 PM
If you think the McClure kid can't drive then you're an idiot. Is he indifferent with some horses, especially the younger stock's first couple starts or an older horse that needs to drop a line to fit where he/she can do, yes he is. But you don't outdrive Sears and company at the Hambo if you don't have a great set of hands and ice water in your veins. I'll admit I don't think he gets along all that well with that mare but I also think that mare might have landed in a certain barn and that had more to do with her showing.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Calhoun on June 30, 2025, 05:07:30 PM
IMO, Driver vs Driver debate is over rated.

Take the top 10 money winners in NA and I don't think there's any difference.

In overnights, yes there's a difference but that's always baked into the odds.

jmo
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Mazola on June 30, 2025, 06:38:44 PM
McClure has been driving home winners at Mohawk lately. He is ok in my books
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 06:46:27 PM
If you think the McClure kid can't drive then you're an idiot. Is he indifferent with some horses, especially the younger stock's first couple starts or an older horse that needs to drop a line to fit where he/she can do, yes he is. But you don't outdrive Sears and company at the Hambo if you don't have a great set of hands and ice water in your veins. I'll admit I don't think he gets along all that well with that mare but I also think that mare might have landed in a certain barn and that had more to do with her showing.

If JMac, McNair, Roy get off and he gets on it's a drop, he's a drop on Cullen too, if Henry wasn't an elephant a drop on him as well.

The resume gets you the job, now he has to keep doing it.

I wasn't playing remember when, forget the stats, can he drive, he looks awful out there.

I won't omit him as a first thought.  You can over bet him and we'll get the price on our other horses.

- The Idiot  ;D
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Harness racer on June 30, 2025, 06:54:08 PM
It JMac and then the rest up there talent wise.  He is worlds better than the rest!  tmbz1
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Bitter Truth on June 30, 2025, 07:13:13 PM
The reverse plop jinx is alive and well as McClure just stroked the first two tonight at Mohawk. ;D
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Harness racer on June 30, 2025, 07:14:49 PM
Crazy how that works!  ngc3
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 07:16:46 PM
The reverse plop jinx is alive and well as McClure just stroked the first two tonight at Mohawk. ;D

Said the same thing in the Mohawk thread at the same time as you, a little b4 lol! 

https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=80933.0
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: wisha roder on June 30, 2025, 10:21:26 PM
Y'all are ALL 100% correct!!!  tmbz1

McClueless stayed in Canada and won 1, with 3 of the top 3 drivers out tonight.

Eventually the trainers are going to realize he isn't focused, and listening, the head just bobs up and down like its on a spring! 

Move him to the Mohawk valet parking as an attendant, he wouldn't know the difference!   ngc3
Funny you mention his bobble head.  That''s what i always notice about Bob.  Does he have sort of spring in his helmet or does he have a twitch.  Friggin drives me nuts to watch his helmet jiggle up and down.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover
Post by: Trigger on June 30, 2025, 10:31:00 PM
Funny you mention his bobble head.  That''s what i always notice about Bob.  Does he have sort of spring in his helmet or does he have a twitch.  Friggin drives me nuts to watch his helmet jiggle up and down.

You notice the head here it is seemingly velcroed to the recliner, the back of it doesn't move forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS336zWT1f8

Seems to only happen when he is sitting, not in post race standing interviews, not moseying around, only sitting, and in the bike, what are you gonna do - tie it down to what?, Bob is free to bob.   ;D
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