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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Blue Marlin on May 31, 2025, 08:01:25 PM
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5 horses scratched that are trained by Stacy McLenaghan today at Shenandoah Downs. 4 were in Breeders Fund races. This was the 2ed leg. Next week finals going for 90K. They were all under owned by the Lucky Lilly Belle Stable , Culpeper Va. They were all previous John Wagner horses???? Maybe still are. Ya you know it !!!! Must of been the Va Racing Commission?? Or the judges ?? Anyway.somebody is finally doing the right thing….?
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Go read the thread, who owns Lucky Lilly Belle Stables.....
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Go read the thread, who owns Lucky Lilly Belle Stables.....
Lily Belle owns it
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Lucky lily belle LLC is Pam Wagners sister. She caved to investigators that she never owned any horses. When Stacy n John are seen multiple times going in same motel room I’d say she knew.
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She has 6 more in today that have yet to be s ratched
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They will be. tmbz1
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They will be. tmbz1
Just spoke to the PJ, they haven't yet. He has to confer with his state guy then decision will be made. I'm sure the answer is yes, but they follow a "process". I asked if they keep reciprocity with the USTA in mind, he said absolutely.
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Just spoke to the PJ, they haven't yet. He has to confer with his state guy then decision will be made. I'm sure the answer is yes, but they follow a "process". I asked if they keep reciprocity with the USTA in mind, he said absolutely.
Excellent
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Scratched
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Just spoke to the PJ,
they haven't yet. He has to confer with his state guy then decision will be made. I'm sure the answer is yes, but they follow a "process". I asked if they keep reciprocity with the USTA in mind, he said absolutely.
Whenever you can, include the name and contact info for these track/commission/legislative people so that our members here can
contact them as well.
In fact, you can go further and provide us with appropriate sample text/scripts to use for e-mailing or calling these same people.
I will write and send emails. I will make phone calls. But I am not going to do a Google treasure hunt to find who the Presiding Judge is at Shenendoah.
- Plops Management
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Scratched
There are some others racing today at Shenandoah who had the Wagoner named attached as co-owners and transferred to a single owner when all the suspensions happened. Guess they are excused since the owner is a board member?
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Whenever you can, include the name and contact info for these track/commission/legislative people so that our members here can
contact them as well.
In fact, you can go further and provide us with appropriate sample text/scripts to use for e-mailing or calling these same people.
I will write and send emails. I will make phone calls. But I am not going to do a Google treasure hunt to find who the Presiding Judge is at Shenendoah.
- Plops Management
Who does call all the shots at Shenandoah?
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Whenever you can, include the name and contact info for these track/commission/legislative people so that our members here can
contact them as well.
In fact, you can go further and provide us with appropriate sample text/scripts to use for e-mailing or calling these same people.
I will write and send emails. I will make phone calls. But I am not going to do a Google treasure hunt to find who the Presiding Judge is at Shenendoah.
- Plops Management
Do what I did? Pull up the Shenandoah condition sheet? No Rosetta Stone needed.
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Jack Remy is the presiding judge in Va and both Md tracks.
Jack N John are the very best of friends and it shows!
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There are some others racing today at Shenandoah who had the Wagoner named attached as co-owners and transferred to a single owner when all the suspensions happened. Guess they are excused since the owner is a board member?
Woogen
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Stacey should be suspended too! She took horses from a suspended owner!
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Let's just call that MARYLAND/VIRGINIA circuit th "WAGNER'S PLAYGROUND, everyone kisses his ass...and half of them work for him.....Dover will be interesting.... KIRBY//BRITTINGHAM CONNECTION
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Do what I did? Pull up the Shenandoah condition sheet? No Rosetta Stone needed.
You're shortsighted here.
Out of 100 people, you'll get 5-10% of the result you want doing it like you suggest compared to doing 5 minutes work per track/state.
If several people send a consistent message, that works.
It's your show, old son.
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You're shortsighted here.
Out of 100 people, you'll get 5-10% of the result you want doing it like you suggest compared to doing 5 minutes work per track/state.
If several people send a consistent message, that works.
It's your show, old son.
What do you think I've been doing for three years while you fucking TRASHED me here. Pop over to my Facebook group as yourself and see. I have nothing to lose, they do. Do you really believe that horsemen in the industry don't know how to call a Presiding Judge??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 They're scared to call, that's the reason. I called and even recorded it as usual. But they did the right thing. It's like we're in a transition where even people who were attacking each other realize we're on the same team and the people who questioned me see they are the one's being hurt, not me. What really matters now? ANYONE who purchased BB3 and I've posted that proof needs to be gone. People still racing and taking money from anyone honest.
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The Devita/Prevost and Davis/Taylor duos still allowed in every jurisdiction is absolutely amazing. There is so much proof out there and nothing. Because Gillis was on a recording makes him guilty and gone, but not the others? Complete bullshit. NY, DE, PA, IN and the USTA should be ashamed of themselves. The horsemen in those areas need to unite for once and demand justice. A lot of evidence against all of those parties. And don't get me started on how fatass Mark is still racing. WTF?
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What do you think I've been doing for three years while you fucking TRASHED me here. Pop over to my Facebook group as yourself and see. I have nothing to lose, they do. Do you really believe that horsemen in the industry don't know how to call a Presiding Judge??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 They're scared to call, that's the reason. I called and even recorded it as usual. But they did the right thing. It's like we're in a transition where even people who were attacking each other realize we're on the same team and the people who questioned me see they are the one's being hurt, not me. What really matters now? ANYONE who purchased BB3 and I've posted that proof needs to be gone. People still racing and taking money from anyone honest.
I FUCKING trashed you because you FUCKING deserved it.
Now, you did some good, but you are so fucking uppity and now spend your entire day proclaiming yourself the smartest fucking guy in every fucking room every hour of every fucking week.
You're so fucking insecure that you still call the guy who fucked you hard "Mr Gural."
You may now return to your SRO empire.
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I've said it before. If it wasn't for the Mark Ford ordeal and Steve Jones and this place to air it, we would have never heard of SCM.
Now he gets the attention here he desires and that's still not enough to feed his ego. Now he feels he has some purpose.
He means well and has helped a lot with the posting of the public information that nobody cared about because the ones in the sport have too much to lose and keep quiet, but let's face it all this started because of getting booted from Goshen.
Hés been booted out of here a couple times and always let back because he moves the traffic.
If he didn't need this site, he would be on his group page with 5000 members and would say the hell with plop.
tmbz1
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Direct him towards Tony Morgan
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Morgans not stupid..He covers his bases well..Look who all took the fall for him and no one gave him up.
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Apocalypse
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I've said it before. If it wasn't for the Mark Ford ordeal and Steve Jones and this place to air it, we would have never heard of SCM.
Now he gets the attention here he desires and that's still not enough to feed his ego. Now he feels he has some purpose.
He means well and has helped a lot with the posting of the public information that nobody cared about because the ones in the sport have too much to lose and keep quiet, but let's face it all this started because of getting booted from Goshen.
Hés been booted out of here a couple times and always let back because he moves the traffic.
If he didn't need this site, he would be on his group page with 5000 members and would say the hell with plop.
tmbz1
And your point? So you can all thank Steve Jones for setting me on the path doing what all of you fucking cowards wouldn't do on your own! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And you're right, without me this forum is a fucking ghost town. tmbz1
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And your point? So you can all thank Steve Jones for setting me on the path doing what all of you fucking cowards wouldn't do on your own! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And you're right, without me this forum is a fucking ghost town. tmbz1
Oh, I agree with you on this. 100%. And yes, us cowards who have plenty to lose have kept quiet. And if you were still in the business for a livelihood so would of you. I can't recall you ever coming on here before hand speaking of any of this. Please feel free to post a previous post of yours before the great Das Boot that contradicts this statement.
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Oh, I agree with you on this. 100%. And yes, us cowards who have plenty to lose have kept quiet. And if you were still in the business for a livelihood so would of you. I can't recall you ever coming on here before hand speaking of any of this. Please feel free to post a previous post of yours before the great Das Boot that contradicts this statement.
And right there proves you have NO fucking clue!!! My livelihood? WRONG. Three horses with a life long friend. Hadn't trained for a paycheck since 2003? You truly are fucking idiot. And you actually admit you prefer taking it in the ass dry as opposed to fighting for what is yours? WELFARE FUCKING RECIPIENTS!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Holy shit, I can't believe you actually admit it. If I hadn't shown up, nothing would have changed!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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And right there proves you have NO fucking clue!!! My livelihood? WRONG. Three horses with a life long friend. Hadn't trained for a paycheck since 2003? You truly are fucking idiot. And you actually admit you prefer taking it in the ass dry as opposed to fighting for what is yours? WELFARE FUCKING RECIPIENTS!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Holy shit, I can't believe you actually admit it. If I hadn't shown up, nothing would have changed!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
As usual I will ask again. What do you have to lose and how many are you training? The answer is NOTHING NONE ZIPPO! Please stop saying you are doing it for the horseman. You would Fuck them over the first chance you would get. Thats why you record everything. You have screwed almost everyone you have come in contact with. You are doing it for you and your EGO and to prove to yourself you are not a failure at everything.
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Oh, I agree with you on this. 100%. And yes, us cowards who have plenty to lose have kept quiet. And if you were still in the business for a livelihood so would of you. I can't recall you ever coming on here before hand speaking of any of this. Please feel free to post a previous post of yours before the great Das Boot that contradicts this statement.
80% of the people on Plops are gamblers, not owners or trainers. None of these people are going to deep dive the internet who the fuck the Presiding Judge is at any track.
He acts the tough guy but refers to Gural as "Mr" even though Gural and everyone else at M1 treated him like fucking dirt. Ok, tough guy.
And I don't care if it's legal to film people in public places. It's creepy AF.
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I've said it before. If it wasn't for the Mark Ford ordeal and Steve Jones and this place to air it, we would have never heard of SCM.
Now he gets the attention here he desires and that's still not enough to feed his ego. Now he feels he has some purpose.
He means well and has helped a lot with the posting of the public information that nobody cared about because the ones in the sport have too much to lose and keep quiet, but let's face it all this started because of getting booted from Goshen.
Hés been booted out of here a couple times and always let back because he moves the traffic.
If he didn't need this site, he would be on his group page with 5000 members and would say the hell with plop.
tmbz1
Who cares why we've heard about him ??
Is he not trying to do something to help preserve what's left of the sport ??
You spend a lot of time critiquing his methods and what motivates him to do what he does, however he does it. What does it matter ??
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What do you think I've been doing for three years while you fucking TRASHED me here. Pop over to my Facebook group as yourself and see. I have nothing to lose, they do. Do you really believe that horsemen in the industry don't know how to call a Presiding Judge??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 They're scared to call, that's the reason. I called and even recorded it as usual. But they did the right thing. It's like we're in a transition where even people who were attacking each other realize we're on the same team and the people who questioned me see they are the one's being hurt, not me. What really matters now? ANYONE who purchased BB3 and I've posted that proof needs to be gone. People still racing and taking money from anyone honest.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
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We need to keep the pressure on the USTA. Emails,phone calls,write letters.USTA needs to know that Connie Jenkins was a beard for her sister Pamela Wagner and Stacy Mcclanahan trainer was a beard for Lucky Lilly Belle Stables. USTA needs to find out why Rosecroft let him race in stakes races as well as the judges. Need to go to the head of Maryland Racing Commission. Judges at Rosecroft let Wagner get away with everything. 7 positives and they ran them all together.He should have received $5,000.00 fine for each offense and 7 years suspended. Why Shenandoah let him race after the judges also knew Wagner was running under a beard stable and in fact was the trainer of all horses and not Stacy Mcclanahan. Now is the time to clean up this sport a little. At least it's a start. Now get busy writing letters.emailing,phone calls.
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We need to keep the pressure on the USTA. Emails,phone calls,write letters.USTA needs to know that Connie Jenkins was a beard for her sister Pamela Wagner and Stacy Mcclanahan trainer was a beard for Lucky Lilly Belle Stables. USTA needs to find out why Rosecroft let him race in stakes races as well as the judges. Need to go to the head of Maryland Racing Commission. Judges at Rosecroft let Wagner get away with everything. 7 positives and they ran them all together.He should have received $5,000.00 fine for each offense and 7 years suspended. Why Shenandoah let him race after the judges also knew Wagner was running under a beard stable and in fact was the trainer of all horses and not Stacy Mcclanahan. Now is the time to clean up this sport a little. At least it's a start. Now get busy writing letters.emailing,phone calls.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS!!! tmbz1
Rosecroft and Shenandoah should also be fined for their involvement.