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Title: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Way to go on April 23, 2025, 11:16:54 PM
Take a look at MIAMI VALLEY tonight......USTA director /Wagner horse visited the winner's circle and another winner owned by Chairman of USTA with the trainer listed as a female who never sat behind a horse in her life.....just the tip of the iceberg
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: hoosierboy on April 23, 2025, 11:55:57 PM
Thanks for pointing out the obvious
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness racer on April 23, 2025, 11:59:50 PM
Entire industry is in a downward spiral.  It may be more than a year or two...but the end is in sight.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: SwankToliverA on April 24, 2025, 12:22:57 AM
Entire industry is in a downward spiral.  It may be more than a year or two...but the end is in sight.

I'm not sure on the timeline, but it certainly is in a downward spiral. Horrible to watch it crash and burn.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 24, 2025, 12:35:04 AM
Entire industry is in a downward spiral.  It may be more than a year or two...but the end is in sight.
  I've been hearing that nonsense for 25 years!  ngc3
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: kantseeback on April 24, 2025, 04:08:50 AM
  I've been hearing that nonsense for 25 years!  ngc3

Have you noticed in that same 25 years some harness tracks have closed, some race only 2 days a week, and some are on life support?
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness racer on April 24, 2025, 04:57:33 AM
Have you noticed in that same 25 years some harness tracks have closed, some race only 2 days a week, and some are on life support?

Some are too stupid to notice!   ngc3
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Kenny on April 24, 2025, 07:46:50 AM
  I've been hearing that nonsense for 25 years!  ngc3

Most of the industry only exist due to government handouts.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 24, 2025, 09:16:19 AM
I don't defend the industry, the sport, and especially not track ownership/management. However, is it that much different in many other industries? The art/auction world, with Christie's and Sotheby's. Chairman of Sotheby's got jail time. The stock market? Do people actually believe it is a fair and efficient market? Real estate?

Hey, that doesn't mean anything, nor does it help. But it also doesn't make this industry the exception. It's a shame being the norm too.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 24, 2025, 09:34:24 AM
Have you noticed in that same 25 years some harness tracks have closed, some race only 2 days a week, and some are on life support?
   Yes, but I've also seen some new tracks spring up like Shenandoah, Oak Grove, and some others thrive and raise  purses like Plainridge and Miami Valley.....
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Way to go on April 24, 2025, 10:03:50 AM
The subject is fraud.....not what track is declining.....sta y with the subject matter.....Wagner transferred over 85 horses to his daughter after a year suspended.....Sco tt Woogen,gastroentrinoligist, USTA DIRECTOR,stays hooked at the hip to WAGNER,.....USTA allows over 85 transfers to Wagners daughter who never owned a horse in her life......JOE FARALDO.....of course with Scotty D....has TRISH FOULK down as trainer.....we all know who her infamous husband is......
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 24, 2025, 10:17:49 AM
The subject is fraud.....not what track is declining.....sta y with the subject matter.....Wagner transferred over 85 horses to his daughter after a year suspended.....Sco tt Woogen,gastroentrinoligist, USTA DIRECTOR,stays hooked at the hip to WAGNER,.....USTA allows over 85 transfers to Wagners daughter who never owned a horse in her life......JOE FARALDO.....of course with Scotty D....has TRISH FOULK down as trainer.....we all know who her infamous husband is......
  If ya wanna tell people what ya want them to talk about maybe ya should get your own blog. NO ONE's gonna tell me what to say.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Way to go on April 24, 2025, 10:25:37 AM
So true
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 24, 2025, 10:39:09 AM
Why is a trustee of NYSS and NYS Horse Breeding Development Fund telling breeders to downsize? The point of the fund is to grow. Unless of course the trustee also owns a breeding farm in direct competition with the people he's telling to downsize. https://youtube.com/live/2QNJqB38ieI?feature=share
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 24, 2025, 10:40:42 AM
It gets worse before it gets better.....then you have the purge and consolidation.... .and then the survivors survive and thrive because the rest have died off.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 24, 2025, 10:46:03 AM
Why is a trustee of NYSS and NYS Horse Breeding Development Fund telling breeders to downsize? The point of the fund is to grow. Unless of course the trustee also owns a breeding farm in direct competition with the people he's telling to downsize. https://youtube.com/live/2QNJqB38ieI?feature=share

Other than you reading something you claim to have.....is there any proof of this whatsoever? Wait, why I am asking a question that would have you actually be accountable for the truth, proof, and reality. Now starts the name calling, deflection, and everything else.

David Copperfield made a Lear jet disappear on the tarmac at LA Airport. How did he do it? Deflection. So, my opinion is, that's all Mike has and does. Mike is truly the ultimate magician. Everything he says and does is self-proclaimed, and when called out on it, asked for real proof, etc.-----all you get is deflection.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: silent one on April 24, 2025, 11:14:53 AM
David Copperfield made a Lear jet disappear on the tarmac at LA Airport. How did he do it? Deflection. So, my opinion is, that's all Mike has and does. Mike is truly the ultimate magician. Everything he says and does is self-proclaimed, and when called out on it, asked for real proof, etc.-----all you get is deflection.

   So what you're saying is, that he's Donald J. Trump?

   Sincerely. Silent One
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 24, 2025, 11:23:29 AM
David Copperfield made a Lear jet disappear on the tarmac at LA Airport. How did he do it? Deflection. So, my opinion is, that's all Mike has and does. Mike is truly the ultimate magician. Everything he says and does is self-proclaimed, and when called out on it, asked for real proof, etc.-----all you get is deflection.

   So what you're saying is, that he's Donald J. Trump?

   Sincerely. Silent One

At least Copperfield, Trump or myself never made their assertions on a forum to 50 people anonymously. Now who are the actual deflectors?  tmbz1
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 24, 2025, 11:28:01 AM
So I repeat, why not ask one of the people the email was originally sent to? Maybe you can even figure out who sent it to me???  ngc3
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness racer on April 24, 2025, 11:49:03 AM
At least Copperfield, Trump or myself never made their assertions on a forum to 50 people anonymously. Now who are the actual deflectors?  tmbz1

This is hilarious.  Calling people deflectors…while once again deflecting.   ngc3  Just print the email and post it.  That easy.  I actually believe it to be fact already, but would easily stop the nonsense on its authenticity.   tmbz1
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Brown jug on April 24, 2025, 11:54:38 AM
i happen to agree with the comments from way to go
he started a viable subject matter
so comment on that
if not start your own topic
also some of us are not on the 'inside" of this industry
so when making comments please just state names rather than inferring i should know who so and so sister in law is
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 24, 2025, 12:01:50 PM
This is hilarious.  Calling people deflectors…while once again deflecting.   ngc3  Just print the email and post it.  That easy.  I actually believe it to be fact already, but would easily stop the nonsense on its authenticity.   tmbz1

Catch up, they said I'm deflecting. Says people who can't say who they are. If I'm lying it accomplishes what? Why do I need to "prove" anything here? Fact is, if the email is real it got loose. And yes I have a scrolling video of it ready for YouTube when I choose to release it. But watching these morons is much more run. Reality is the people who received the screaming scathing email from Mr. Jones all know it's real AND that it's out in the wild now. Keep in mind who two of the people are he sent it to. NYS Gaming Commissioner Ball and Director of NYS Horse Breeding Development Fund Ralph Scunziano. And after I sent it to Noah Schactman of the NY Times yesterday it's only going to get more fun to watch. Oh and Ray Paulick has it too. Good luck  tmbz1
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 24, 2025, 01:08:10 PM
i happen to agree with the comments from way to go
he started a viable subject matter
so comment on that
if not start your own topic
also some of us are not on the 'inside" of this industry
so when making comments please just state names rather than inferring i should know who so and so sister in law is
 

All threads take a turn from the original idea. Please dont try to tell us what to comment on.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Brown jug on April 24, 2025, 02:09:25 PM
SQUIRREL !!!!
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: No passing lane 4U on April 24, 2025, 03:18:59 PM
Miami valley judges and the rest of the mess is ruining racing for horseman. The lack of specialing due to lazy judges .I retired a few years ago and glad I got out.They need to raid Lebanon barns and Xenia.
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Ohracing on April 24, 2025, 04:50:18 PM
Miami valley judges and the rest of the mess is ruining racing for horseman. The lack of specialing due to lazy judges .I retired a few years ago and glad I got out.They need to raid Lebanon barns and Xenia.

How many trainers at Miami Valley are really Dan Nobles horses and have been farmed out to them to train?
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Way to go on April 24, 2025, 05:50:12 PM
USTA DIRECTOR SCOTT WOOGEN still being involved with WAGNER ......ridiculous. ...no morals....JOE FARALDO should resign from USTA CHAIRMAN...
..business partners with BANCA and now involved with CHAD FOULK.....bottom of the barrel on morals
Title: Re: Fraud rampant throughout industry
Post by: Way to go on April 25, 2025, 09:54:51 AM
Say goodnight to this subject
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