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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Six Pence on December 11, 2023, 03:07:57 PM
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I have always had a good experience dealing with On-gait and have used their services in buying and
selling several horses. However something happened when buying a mare on the sight last week. With about a minute left to bid, I entered a $200. increase on the bid. I went back to the main page and saw that I had been outbid by $600. Faster than the proverbial speeding bullet. I looked down the page and saw that I was the high bidder. No one else bid and I got the mare .........and made arrangements to pay and ship her within half an hour of the close of the sale. I have had auctioneers try to jump my bid but never a computer. I decided to contact Maurice who has always been prompt and professional in all of our dealings. I have sent him two e-mails and have received no response......cri ckets. I mention this to you so you will be aware and exercise caution with your next transaction.
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I have always had a good experience dealing with On-gait and have used their services in buying and
selling several horses. However something happened when buying a mare on the sight last week. With about a minute left to bid, I entered a $200. increase on the bid. I went back to the main page and saw that I had been outbid by $600. Faster than the proverbial speeding bullet. I looked down the page and saw that I was the high bidder. No one else bid and I got the mare .........and made arrangements to pay and ship her within half an hour of the close of the sale. I have had auctioneers try to jump my bid but never a computer. I decided to contact Maurice who has always been prompt and professional in all of our dealings. I have sent him two e-mails and have received no response......cri ckets. I mention this to you so you will be aware and exercise caution with your next transaction.
I've dealt with Chodash in the past. He is a scumbag to the highest degree.
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tmbz1
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I've bought a quite a few on there. Have been burned on many. That's my biggest issue you have to trust the word of a fellow horsemen lol thanks for the heads up!
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I have always had a good experience dealing with On-gait and have used their services in buying and
selling several horses. However something happened when buying a mare on the sight last week. With about a minute left to bid, I entered a $200. increase on the bid. I went back to the main page and saw that I had been outbid by $600. Faster than the proverbial speeding bullet. I looked down the page and saw that I was the high bidder. No one else bid and I got the mare .........and made arrangements to pay and ship her within half an hour of the close of the sale. I have had auctioneers try to jump my bid but never a computer. I decided to contact Maurice who has always been prompt and professional in all of our dealings. I have sent him two e-mails and have received no response......cri ckets. I mention this to you so you will be aware and exercise caution with your next transaction.
If someone puts in the sales ends at noon eastern standard time, the ‘bidding’ extends every 30 seconds after 12 noon until the bidding ceases. It can take 10+ minutes for this process. Is there an automated system or people ‘running up’ the bids on a horse? Who knows? Just remember on gait get a percentage of the final sale price regardless if it a final sale or a buy back!
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buyer/seller beware
the folks running it can see everything and they have friends
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I've bought a quite a few on there. Have been burned on many. That's my biggest issue you have to trust the word of a fellow horsemen lol thanks for the heads up!
"been burned on many" But you go back for more?
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"been burned on many" But you go back for more?
At least he tries to improve his stock by buying here. Just tough to buy blind without at at least looking at a horse live and in person. A learning experience to say the least (look who the ‘trainer’ is beforehand before investing your money.
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At least he tries to improve his stock by buying here. Just tough to buy blind without at at least looking at a horse live and in person. A learning experience to say the least (look who the ‘trainer’ is beforehand before investing your money.
If he's been burnt many times, then I don't think he's improving anything! Maybe another type of Venue should be investigated?
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If he's been burnt many times, then I don't think he's improving anything! Maybe another type of Venue should be investigated?
Many people get “burned” in acquiring horses whether it is via claim, private purchase, or online. Does it matter which venue you use??
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It seems almost every racehorse ongait is 100% sound with 4 clean legs. We all know that's impossible. What I don't understand is why someone would buy a racehorse sight unseen. Of course you can inspect the horse, but who's gonna travel in many cases two or three states to inspect one? At least at a sale eg. Harrisburg, you can inspect the animal before bidding. Even a claim, you can eyeball the horse and watch him warm up. Best case scenario for ongait is -- auction starts -- horse races -- auction ends -- and that's even a risk.
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He runs up most of the bids. guy is a dirt bag
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He runs up most of the bids. guy is a dirt bag
Do you know the man personally to know he is a dirtbag? Many people at sales run up horses. Are they dirtbags also? I usually agree with you on most of your posts though i do not on this one.
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Do you know the man personally to know he is a dirtbag? Many people at sales run up horses. Are they dirtbags also? I usually agree with you on most of your posts though i do not on this one.
I know Maurice. He is a dirtbag.
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buyer/seller beware
the folks running it can see everything and they have friends
All the owners / shareholders of the site have access to who is bidding and how much there bidding. It's completely rigged. It needs to be public who is bidding just like a real auction. Need to put a name to who is bidding. It still doesn't eliminate the fact the owners can see your max bid and run you up by underbidding. They want to make sure they get there max commission.
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ON PREFERRED EQUINE'S AUCTION SITE THEY SHOW THE BIDS AND THE PERSON THAT BID IT. EACH BIDDER GETS A LETTER AND NUMBER CODE WHICH THEY ARE ASSIGNED. EVEVY BID IS THERE TO SEE. THIS WOULD HELP OUT IN A BIG WAY ON ONGAIT.
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You often see the owner or trainer as the winner of the auction without seeing the results as reserve not met. That would be a strong indicator of the owner or trainer driving the price up and getting left as the final bidder.
It happens at many auctions but, it still sucks if you are the underbidder in a no reserve auction.
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It's nice at a live auction when you can see the current owners bidding. To me it means the horse has value and they aren't letting him go cheap. If they don't bid, throws up a lot of red flags. Never knowing who is bidding online and not getting to examine the horse is very risky. Not sure how these guys spend 6-figures online like that.
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It's nice at a live auction when you can see the current owners bidding. To me it means the horse has value and they aren't letting him go cheap. If they don't bid, throws up a lot of red flags. Never knowing who is bidding online and not getting to examine the horse is very risky. Not sure how these guys spend 6-figures online like that.
If you think you know who is bidding at an auction you are mistaken. Why do you think an agent or consignor stands next to auctioneer at the Harrisburg sale ?? It could be as little as the way they hold their catalog or hold a pen….
In a real auction the consignor has one bid !! That is why there is a disclaimer that allows the consignor to bid as many times as they want. It might also be the reason they call them sales and not auctions. Buyer beware!!!
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Do you know the man personally to know he is a dirtbag? Many people at sales run up horses. Are they dirtbags also? I usually agree with you on most of your posts though i do not on this one.
I DO KNOW THE GUY PERSONALLY. HE WOULD RUN THE BID AGAINST HIS OWN MOTHER. WHATS YOUR POINT WEEDS?
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This must be amatuer night at the Apollo, LOL. I don't care if it's PEM, OnGait, Harrisburg or what -- it is buyer beware. Period. If you think any auction is "truly an efficient" market, then you are either naive, foolish, uneducated or I don't know what. Let's face it, you can say all you want about Eric Cherry, he is an advocate and ambassador for the sport and/or business, he's a top breeder, major owner, whatever you want. That doesn't make him a Saint. David Brooks was a major owner. So was IEAH (thoroughbreds). OnGait is not an nonprofit.
I bought a horse from OnGait. I like the horse, I contacted the trainer (who was the listed contact), spoke to him, watched videos, and then had the horse checked out (I had another trainer go a mile with him and had a vet check him out). All good. So I came up with my number. Period. Got him for less. It served my need. Nothing more. That's the only way I would buy from there or any auction. I see plenty of top horses up for sale. Every one of them sells for more than I think they are worth, and it ain't because I am lowballing the value. It's because of an inefficient market and games.
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You did your proper homework...most don't!
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This must be amatuer night at the Apollo, LOL. I don't care if it's PEM, OnGait, Harrisburg or what -- it is buyer beware. Period. If you think any auction is "truly an efficient" market, then you are either naive, foolish, uneducated or I don't know what. Let's face it, you can say all you want about Eric Cherry, he is an advocate and ambassador for the sport and/or business, he's a top breeder, major owner, whatever you want. That doesn't make him a Saint. David Brooks was a major owner. So was IEAH (thoroughbreds). OnGait is not an nonprofit.
I bought a horse from OnGait. I like the horse, I contacted the trainer (who was the listed contact), spoke to him, watched videos, and then had the horse checked out (I had another trainer go a mile with him and had a vet check him out). All good. So I came up with my number. Period. Got him for less. It served my need. Nothing more. That's the only way I would buy from there or any auction. I see plenty of top horses up for sale. Every one of them sells for more than I think they are worth, and it ain't because I am lowballing the value. It's because of an inefficient market and games.
Good story but you left out the climax -- After all that money spent and research -- How'd you do with him?
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I DO KNOW THE GUY PERSONALLY. HE WOULD RUN THE BID AGAINST HIS OWN MOTHER. WHATS YOUR POINT WEEDS?
The only point i had was i would never call someone a dirtbag unless i knew them. Also as i stated many people run up bids.
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I wouldn't buy a pair of shoes, sight unseen, off of the computer, let alone a race horse.
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The only point i had was i would never call someone a dirtbag unless i knew them. Also as i stated many people run up bids.
Well let me be more clear...I know him, he's a DIRT BAG! aside from other people people that run up bids. This guy has larceny in his heart.
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Well let me be more clear...I know him, he's a DIRT BAG! aside from other people people that run up bids. This guy has larceny in his heart.
100% dirtbag
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100% dirtbag
For Sure. tmbz1
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Good story but you left out the climax -- After all that money spent and research -- How'd you do with him?
Wasn't a case of "all that money" (LOL). My number was $20k, and I got the horse for $17k -- and I did just fine.
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I've dealt with Chodash in the past. He is a scumbag to the highest degree.
I ALSO KNOW THAT MAURICE IS A PIECE OF SHIT SCUMBAG WHO STEALS MONEY. HEARD THERE IS ANOTHER ON LINE AUCTION SITE COMING. I HOPE ITS TRUE TO PUT THE COCKSUCK OUT OF BUSINESS. CHEATING SCUMBAG LIKE THE REST OF THE FILTH IN HARNESS RACING. THE LIVE AUCTIONS ARE ALL RIGGED TOO. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY PUT A SHILL IN THE AUDIENCE WHO KEEPS RUNNING THE BID UP SO YOU GET THE SAME FUCKING ANY WAY YOU GO. I LIKE THE ON LINE AUCTIONS BUT YOU JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL AS WITH ANYTHING IN THE SCUMMY SPORT OF HARNESS RACING.
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I ALSO KNOW THAT MAURICE IS A PIECE OF SHIT SCUMBAG WHO STEALS MONEY. HEARD THERE IS ANOTHER ON LINE AQUCTION COMING. I HOPE ITS TRUE TO PUT THE COCKSUCK OUT OF BUSINESS. CHEATING SCUMBAG LIKE THE REST OF THE FILTH IN HARNESS RACING
Dr. J just started one. Go compare her reputation and qualifications to Eric Cherry or Maurice Chodash. LOL. She is one of the most revered and respected experts and people in the industry.
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Dr. J just started one. Go compare her reputation and qualifications to Eric Cherry or Maurice Chodash. LOL. She is one of the most revered and respected experts and people in the industry.
THANKS tmbz1
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I bought a trotter last week. The seller posted pictures of the horse and his legs. We studied the pictures closely and could not find anything that indicated that the horse needed to be vetted. we talked to the seller and he said that the horse used to hit it's knee but that it had grown out of hitting or been shod off of his knee. When the horse arrived it had a nasty hit mark on the back of the knee that was as ugly as a wound can be. Proud flesh, ooze and a nasty scab, It turns out that the picture posted was the same picture as was p0sted last year in the preferred sale. The picture posted was an old picture. If they had posted a current picture of the leg nobody would have bid this horse. Total fraud.
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I bought a trotter last week. The seller posted pictures of the horse and his legs. We studied the pictures closely and could not find anything that indicated that the horse needed to be vetted. we talked to the seller and he said that the horse used to hit it's knee but that it had grown out of hitting or been shod off of his knee. When the horse arrived it had a nasty hit mark on the back of the knee that was as ugly as a wound can be. Proud flesh, ooze and a nasty scab, It turns out that the picture posted was the same picture as was p0sted last year in the preferred sale. The picture posted was an old picture. If they had posted a current picture of the leg nobody would have bid this horse. Total fraud.
Guess that $100 vet exam seems cheap now
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Maurice Chodash and Eric cherry live in Florida. They are with Dana parham and they are the worst of the worst. Horseman need another place to buy and sell horses.
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Maurice Chodash and Eric cherry live in Florida. They are with Dana parham and they are the worst or the worst. Horseman need another place to buy and sell horses.
If those three aren't the trifecta of scumbags, then I don't know what is.
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If those three aren't the trifecta of scumbags, then I don't know what is.
And one of them is the great Dr. J’s partner on the new sales page. lol
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I don’t know of one single person that likes any of them SOB’s. Like I said all of them were Fishmans biggest customers and look at who they all employ as their trainers. Like they don’t know who is using the juice. Go kick rocks with no socks bitches.
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Does anyone remember Dana Parham's integrity contract? What a crock of shit!! Also, any douchebag(you know who you are) that thinks Parham's partner, Dr. Bridgett Jablonsky shits ice cream and farts out beautiful rainbows must be delusional, as she worked for Hitler, I mean Russell Williams and I can promise you she is not one of the most revered and respected experts and people in the industry. It is obvious by your postings that you are nothing but a shill for the criminals that have ruined harness racing. You should be "banded" from this forum immediately.
https://standardbredcanada.ca/blog/submitted-letters/6-6-20/parham-open-letter-horse-racing-world.html
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Does anyone remember Dana Parham's integrity contract? What a crock of shit!! Also, any douchebag(you know who you are) that thinks Parham's partner, Dr. Bridgett Jablonsky shits ice cream and farts out beautiful rainbows must be delusional, as she worked for Hitler, I mean Russell Williams and I can promise you she is not one of the most revered and respected experts and people in the industry. It is obvious by your postings that you are nothing but a shill for the criminals that have ruined harness racing. You should be "banded" from this forum immediately.
https://standardbredcanada.ca/blog/submitted-letters/6-6-20/parham-open-letter-horse-racing-world.html
Lmao look at his list of trainers at that time. I was in the floor. Every trainer who trained for him is on the Fishman list. Lmao. What a coincidence. This POS Dana should have a hot poker shoved up his lying and cheating scumbag ass. .
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Wasn't a case of "all that money" (LOL). My number was $20k, and I got the horse for $17k -- and I did just fine.
Time is money Grandstand (LOL). So you got him for 3K less than you thought and you're patting yourself on the back for the great deal you made. Although, no one else thought he was worth 17K.
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Time is money Grandstand (LOL). So you got him for 3K less than you thought and you're patting yourself on the back for the great deal you made. Although, no one else thought he was worth 17K.
Yeah, I am patting myself on the back. Obviously my point was extremely over your head. Not a surprise. Tell your story walking.
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I bought a trotter last week. The seller posted pictures of the horse and his legs. We studied the pictures closely and could not find anything that indicated that the horse needed to be vetted. we talked to the seller and he said that the horse used to hit it's knee but that it had grown out of hitting or been shod off of his knee. When the horse arrived it had a nasty hit mark on the back of the knee that was as ugly as a wound can be. Proud flesh, ooze and a nasty scab, It turns out that the picture posted was the same picture as was p0sted last year in the preferred sale. The picture posted was an old picture. If they had posted a current picture of the leg nobody would have bid this horse. Total fraud.
That’s why I would never buy from Erv Miller.
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correct mike campbell
lets pump the breaks on dr j
i am going to assume she is a very good veterinarian, nothing more
look at hanovers recent stallion big misses based on her recommendations
nothing personal here, dont know the lady, just looking at results
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I would take Patti Hogans word 10x's over Bridgett, Bridgett is a sales person now more than ever, It appears she has turned into a one person mega store, she's trying to out do Hanover. Already taken customers from them and it showed a Harrisburg.
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I would take Patti Hogans word 10x's over Bridgett, Bridgett is a sales person now more than ever, It appears she has turned into a one person mega store, she's trying to out do Hanover. Already taken customers from them and it showed a Harrisburg.
Patty Hogan is just as bad. If she isn't making a buck it's the wrong idea. She is all about 1 thing - Seeing her name in the paper!
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If those three aren't the trifecta of scumbags, then I don't know what is.
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correct mike campbell
lets pump the breaks on dr j
i am going to assume she is a very good veterinarian, nothing more
look at hanovers recent stallion big misses based on her recommendations
nothing personal here, dont know the lady, just looking at results
I googled Miller and didn't find any fines or suspensions. Pictures of horse were great. They were the same shots he posted a year ago when he had the horse on line for sale. I now know that he is a peice of shit not just from my experience but from the stories I have heard from horsemen that were cheated by him.
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I googled Miller and didn't find any fines or suspensions. Pictures of horse were great. They were the same shots he posted a year ago when he had the horse on line for sale. I now know that he is a peice of shit not just from my experience but from the stories I have heard from horsemen that were cheated by him.
Are you referring to Erv Miller?
If so, you need to go to USTA Pathway.
Erv Miller has several fines and suspensions.
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Yeah, I am patting myself on the back. Obviously my point was extremely over your head. Not a surprise. Tell your story walking.
I totally get your point -- I just don't appreciate belittling (Apollo amateurs LOL) others to make it. You had people check a horse out before you bought it -- congratulations. I personally would rather eyeball and sit behind the horse myself. The 3K less part seems like a feeble attempt to stroke your own ego. By the way -- you misspelled amateur.
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I totally get your point -- I just don't appreciate belittling (Apollo amateurs LOL) others to make it. You had people check a horse out before you bought it -- congratulations. I personally would rather eyeball and sit behind the horse myself. The 3K less part seems like a feeble attempt to stroke your own ego. By the way -- you misspelled amateur.
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I would take Patti Hogans word 10x's over Bridgett, Bridgett is a sales person now more than ever, It appears she has turned into a one person mega store, she's trying to out do Hanover. Already taken customers from them and it showed a Harrisburg.
Welcome to harness racing and the sports world 2023! The student in many cases has to show up their teacher! It’s how the world works today!!
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LOVE TO SEE HORSEMEN FUCKING EACH OTHER LIKE THAT ON ONGAIT. BETTER THEN TWO JEWS SUING EACH OTHER. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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he only protects sellers. doesnt give a shit if you buy a broken down horse.
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LOVE TO SEE HORSEMEN FUCKING EACH OTHER LIKE THAT ON ONGAIT. BETTER THEN TWO JEWS SUING EACH OTHER. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Jimmy, Russell, Murray and all the other folks at Hanover created the "Dr J" of harness racing. Everything she has is because of Hanover Shoe Farm. They keep talking her up, as she's trying to take as much business away as she can. Call Dr J for mares,buying, selling and breeding, stallion shares SHE, has all the connections. A modern day Charley Carp.
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Jimmy, Russell, Murray and all the other folks at Hanover created the "Dr J" of harness racing. Everything she has is because of Hanover Shoe Farm. They keep talking her up, as she's trying to take as much business away as she can. Call Dr J for mares,buying, selling and breeding, stallion shares SHE, has all the connections. A modern day Charley Carp.
Charley Carp theres a name from the past, or Gerry Bloch
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I've got 10-1 Charlie is still walking around the M with a track suit on with a hot tip on one if you loan him 100.
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I've got 10-1 Charlie is still walking around the M with a track suit on with a hot tip on one if you loan him 100.
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Thats the truth. He was usually in the hole 2 or 300 by the 5th race of a card.
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I've got 10-1 Charlie is still walking around the M with a track suit on with a hot tip on one if you loan him 100.
always been a parasite