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Title: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: boscoman on December 09, 2023, 10:44:55 PM
    Two nights in a row at Meadowlands and two complete stiff jobs.   
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: onabrake on December 10, 2023, 10:06:29 AM
He has made a very comfortable career of running second and third over the years with an occasional win picture in the mix. Loves to ride the rail and pick up also ran checks.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: carl baldwin on December 10, 2023, 10:11:26 AM
Pat not Mike, big difference.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: CMJAnew on December 10, 2023, 03:11:58 PM
Had this conversation last night. He was 'warned' a couple/three years back about his selective efforts on the track.
Its actually a fun handicapping consideration; is this the night?
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rainman2 on December 10, 2023, 03:20:22 PM
Had this conversation last night. He was 'warned' a couple/three years back about his selective efforts on the track.
Its actually a fun handicapping consideration; is this the night?

Part of handicapping—you gave to take a good guess who is trying and who isn’t based on post position and who is driving!!
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: vcjt1961 on December 10, 2023, 03:27:16 PM
its very simple his father is rich Mike La Chance, if you have a horse with him good luck, the bills are alittle high and he really is  not a good driver.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: harnessplop on December 10, 2023, 03:49:44 PM
He doesn't use his horses hard...
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: old guy on December 10, 2023, 04:20:04 PM
He doesn't use his horses hard...

Old school….I like it
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rainman2 on December 10, 2023, 04:36:59 PM
its very simple his father is rich Mike La Chance, if you have a horse with him good luck, the bills are alittle high and he really is  not a good driver.

Many trainers charge too much from what is said on horseplop. In this case if Pat trains your horse, he drives your horse. Up to an owner if he can live with this arrangement. 
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: theokodjak26 on December 10, 2023, 05:00:16 PM
Patrick will never be compared favorably to his HOF dad. However he has been a steady horseman for many years now as a trainer. I do not recall him ever have been in trouble for drugs or abusing his horses. I don’t recall him using a whip too often. He seems to have a steady list of French Canadian owners who have been with him for many years. Besides his driving ability I think an owner could do a lot worse than Pat.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Parked on December 10, 2023, 07:12:08 PM
Picks his spots.  Thursday night an yonkers. $73.00 to win.   
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rainman2 on December 10, 2023, 08:41:07 PM
Picks his spots.  Thursday night an yonkers. $73.00 to win.   

Does he carry his ‘winnings’ in a suitcase too?

Asking for a friend!!
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: theokodjak26 on December 10, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
And this is relevant today because Lachance’s father did it like 50 years ago? Maybe we should accuse Lee Harvey Oswald’s children if they plan an assignation of Joe Biden since their father killed JFK 60 years ago?
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Brown jug on December 10, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
sure, he's great if you basically just want an overnight horse that nets very little money at the end of the year
but pat keeps himself employed and i'm sure bets a few dollars on those nights he decides its go time
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rainman2 on December 10, 2023, 09:14:52 PM
sure, he's great if you basically just want an overnight horse that nets very little money at the end of the year
but pat keeps himself employed and i'm sure bets a few dollars on those nights he decides its go time

Some drivers do it better than others!!

Good for thought: Herve died a pauper from what people say!
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: MR.DALRAE on December 10, 2023, 09:20:09 PM
He should it,,,, and it’s a shame
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Chips N Salsa on December 10, 2023, 11:03:46 PM
Well when your good friends or related to Brice Cody nothing will happen at the Meadowlands.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Generation XYZ on December 10, 2023, 11:15:43 PM
Well if no one else likes it. I know one person that likes a good stiffing....Oh Lance....
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 10, 2023, 11:45:09 PM
As a driver, this comes down to one issue and one issue only. Was he going to have a successful career as a catch driver. The answer early on was no. Come on, it was always obvious that Pat was never, ever, going to be a fraction of his dad. Neither was his brother. So, he was brought up and taught -- by his dad -- the old school horsemen, French Canadian way, the trainer/driver way. That's the operation he runs today. You manage, train, and race the horses in your barn the way you need and want to manage them. His dad is still in the barn pretty often (not as much in the winter, LOL). Think about how Ray and Larry Remmen used to operate their stable. Jim Doherty. Sure, unlike Pat Lachance, they had some top racehorses, but the model is very similar. I won't speak to Pat's stiffing horses, sitting on them, and so on.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rock old school on December 11, 2023, 11:02:18 AM
I remember like 10yrs ago or so at Meadowlands he was sitting along the rail like 7th or 8th on a 15-1 and the frontend  totally fell apart going up the backstretch he had no choice to pull the right line and the horse exploded off the turn won by over 10 lengths knocked off 2-3 seconds what he was going the last few starts. Needless to say there was no just going around after that the following week bump in class went off 2-1 8-5 made a half brush won easy by 4-5 lengths he picks his spots thats for sure.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: rainman2 on December 11, 2023, 02:44:35 PM
Pat might be the guy to let train your horse(s). If you like to bet your horse(s) you could make a few good scores with him if all goes well.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: MCR on December 11, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
Somehow he doesn't do great but always manages to survive
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: jupiter on December 11, 2023, 05:20:27 PM
Do you remember Worldly Beauty, who do you think broke a trained her, turned the driving over to Luc. Great match race, Beauty and the Bunny, June of 2003, the guy has been doing it for over 20 yrs, he's not his dad not may are.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: Mazola on December 11, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
Do you remember Worldly Beauty, who do you think broke a trained her, turned the driving over to Luc. Great match race, Beauty and the Bunny, June of 2003, the guy has been doing it for over 20 yrs, he's not his dad not may are.

I remember her well tmbz1
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: remington on December 11, 2023, 07:38:51 PM
Eric Abbatiello is the same way as Pat their fathers are very wealthy and neither one of them have to make millions to live comfortably.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: 7minuteAbz on December 11, 2023, 08:19:19 PM
Eric is a sharp business man in his own right, he was bound to be successful.
Title: Re: Does Pat Lachance make a living stiffing horses ?
Post by: remington on December 11, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Carmine was very sharp. 
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