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Title: JEFF GURAL
Post by: hammer0419 on November 07, 2023, 05:19:01 PM
I'm guessing no one read the GURAL articular in the PAULICK REPORT

32 Standardbred Owners, Trainers Excluded By Meadowlands

Your prayers have been answered.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Mazola on November 07, 2023, 05:37:02 PM
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/32-standardbred-owners-trainers-excluded-by-meadowlands/

Old news
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: hammer0419 on November 07, 2023, 05:46:00 PM
Really old news,read the names MORON
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 07, 2023, 05:48:46 PM
Really old news,read the names MORON

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Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Mazola on November 07, 2023, 06:01:37 PM
Really old news,read the names MORON
You probably get road rage as well? ngc3
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: PIGLAND on November 07, 2023, 06:11:41 PM
they can still cheat till december?
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Dingus on November 07, 2023, 06:20:13 PM
The 6 with drug positives- are the judges/NJRC, or whatever state they occurred in, going to fine/suspend/claw back the purses paid to them?
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 07, 2023, 06:33:17 PM
Why does it matter? These people were all excluded. Gural has the right to do that. He will continue to investigate. Maybe some he will reverse his decision, others he'll stand his ground. I guess we will soon see. I would suspect that if anyone who gets indicted, they will be automatically added to the excluded list. I also think anyone who litigates with Gural is in for a surprise. This will not be like litigating the NJSEA, the NJRC, etc.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: hoosierboy on November 07, 2023, 07:27:28 PM
Interesting list of names headlined by Howard Taylor! I noticed two gaps in the first column so I’m guessing two names were removed
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: SwankToliverA on November 07, 2023, 07:33:10 PM
Hoosierboy- you could be right, although I've heard 3 names were excluded. Time will tell
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 07, 2023, 08:41:50 PM
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf

https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-713_Redacted-equestology-ny-client-list.pdf
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 07, 2023, 08:42:23 PM
Those were the two original lists that were part of the indictments.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: pvcancamp on November 07, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
Someone must be able to access these reports and see what they are talking about,  i am sure these are not the only ones,...maybe they we just ones that raced in NJ NY  or had a set # of purchases -   for example person A bought EPO 25 times over a two year period.....this would be good to know
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: SwankToliverA on November 07, 2023, 09:54:08 PM
My comment was in reference to the names Gural put out.
Thank You Grand, for sharing the extensive original list
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: The Exporter on November 08, 2023, 05:41:03 AM
He has a name on there. The poor woman passed away 2 years ago. Another, has not raced a horse in 3 years. Tighten it up, Jeffery.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: SwankToliverA on November 08, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
He has a name on there. The poor woman passed away 2 years ago. Another, has not raced a horse in 3 years. Tighten it up, Jeffery.


Steve, are you referring to Cynthia?
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: The Exporter on November 08, 2023, 12:28:06 PM
Steve? Steve is not here. Yes, Cynthia.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: SwankToliverA on November 08, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
You're not Steve? You've been posting the same as he has on FB, right after he does. Sorry if I'm wrong
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: TimTimTimbo on November 08, 2023, 02:09:08 PM
LOL, Tom Grossman of Blue Chip when asked why the sale is down said, that silly article from Gural about the list didn't help anybody"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-KoldZyXfg

32-minute mark

Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on November 08, 2023, 02:17:32 PM
LOL, Tom Grossman of Blue Chip when asked why the sale is down said, that silly article from Gural about the list didn't help anybody"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-KoldZyXfg

32-minute mark
What a fucking jackwagon he is. 
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: TimTimTimbo on November 08, 2023, 02:30:56 PM
What a fucking jackwagon he is.

YEP
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on November 08, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
YEP
He bought Blue Chip from Kimelman and it has been downhill ever since.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: NatHillIV on November 08, 2023, 09:57:08 PM
Essentially the same information, different publication.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/273107/meadowlands-to-exclude-investigate-33-horsemen

Feel free to delete my duplicate post that is a "new topic."
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 08, 2023, 10:08:43 PM
LOL, Tom Grossman of Blue Chip when asked why the sale is down said, that silly article from Gural about the list didn't help anybody"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-KoldZyXfg

32-minute mark

Everyone needs someone or something to blame. He won't tell you that KY has taken the best of the crop, or that consigners who sell at both are preferring and front-loading KY, or that the KY attracts more money. Blue Chip doesn't have the product to sell at KY. It's not their marketplace. They have been relegated to a "local" marketplace and buyer. The marketplace, and Blue Chip, has changed drastically since the Kimmelman family and Bill Brown was in charge. Look at Blue Chip's stature in the industry back in the 70's and 80's when Bill Brown ran the show, compared to after Mike sold the farm.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: hammer0419 on November 09, 2023, 03:54:36 AM
Mike didn't sell anything.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Parked on November 09, 2023, 07:07:55 AM
Lexington sale will get stronger and stronger as we see more dual eligible yearlings offered. Harrisburg will become a regional sale of horses that don’t have the looks or breeding to be selected at Lexington.  On the other hand, Harrisburgs mixed sale will grow .  Yesterdays sale was riddled with withdrawn and no sale yearlings.  Many more than appeared in the results. 
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Locked in with pace on November 09, 2023, 07:42:21 AM
ongait has really hurt sales with horses currently racing. It's wiped out the Meadowlands sales which used to be very popular. The same is happening with Harrisburg. It's getting weaker and weaker every year.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Parked on November 09, 2023, 07:50:24 AM
Agent fees and commissions are putting the mixed sales of race horses at Harrisburg out of business. 
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 09, 2023, 08:44:27 AM
Agent fees and commissions are putting the mixed sales of race horses at Harrisburg out of business.

Dont forget waiting till Mid December to get your consignment check from Harrisburg. All other sales are 10 days or less, and Hoosier Classic cuts you a check for 50% or more same day.
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: LUCPARK on November 09, 2023, 08:52:45 AM
Agent fees and commissions are putting the mixed sales of race horses at Harrisburg out of business.
 

14 TO 16 PERCENT ,,FCK THAT

ONGAIT PAY 4 PERCENT OR LESS,,
Title: Re: JEFF GURAL
Post by: Dingus on November 09, 2023, 11:04:35 AM
Dont forget waiting till Mid December to get your consignment check from Harrisburg. All other sales are 10 days or less, and Hoosier Classic cuts you a check for 50% or more same day.

As someone who sold a yearling at the Hoosier Classic Yearling sale last month, I can attest to the fact that we haven’t even seen an accounting yet. 
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