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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: moelarrythecheese on October 27, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
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Unusual for the USTA to headline a suspension. Usually just listed in their weekly Fines and Suspensions. Does anyone know the where and why to this? Unforgiveable.
https://ustrottingnews.com/usta-declares-brevin-lupton-ineligible-for-licensing-or-membership/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DezPuk_mW6A
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It happened in Delaware.
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SCM is already on the case.
tmbz1
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Guys beyond stupid.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-12677497/Racehorse-kicked-whipped-collapsed-Ohio-PETA.html
Should have been bar for life. (after being taken behind barn and having the shit kicked out of him.)
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This was on Petrellis facebook page, some woman try to defend his actions of kicking the horse in the neck comparing it to a child needed to learn from mistakes --- Man she was ROASTED.
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So he got a 365 day suspension
question
Is Brian Brown still employing him ?
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brin brown was the one whipping this shit out of the horse. why wasnt he suspended?
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I hope Lupton didn't sell himself short for taking the heat for this! He was in a "Name your price" type situation! Those don't come along every day! Come to think of it,every witness was in the same position. I hope that B.B.'s pockets are inside out now! The Facebook posting may give this happenstance the boost it needed to make the mainstream media! SCM will ride this wave all the way to full public exposure without any effort.
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Those who dont think that, that kid did just as he was told, are fools, the witch hunt against him is bull shit, he did as his employer told him to do, kicking the horse like that was not ok and BB is just as guilty, he's the trainer, the boss he had every possibility to STOP and tell the guy 'i don't kick babies' but nope he stood there and engaged the whip instead, we all know everyone uses a whip, but thats the first time i seen one kicked in that situation, it must happen a lot because the trainer had ZERO reaction other then to let him continue on, not right to let him get all the blame!
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I’d like to see these guys get kicked and whipped. These guys are the lowest of low. After they are kicked and whipped I’d also like to find a nearby tree and string them up.
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Didn't Pukepark say he was in on some buys that sent some to BB?
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Didn't Pukepark say he was in on some buys that sent some to BB?
Yep. Fits right in perfectly with some of his other trainers
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The Amish farms and other big Stables that break a lot of babies better hope there's no phones with camera and video ready around
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If the guys holding the 3rd lines had any idea of what they doing, they would have been equal with his head or a little bit in front of him. When he went up in the air they should have pulled down and forward. Instead of being behind him. The horse didn't collapse he threw himself down. If you have experience people on the third line I doubt this would have happened. Kicking the horse was an asshole move. But PETA is blowing out of proportion. The kicker shouldn't be around babies .
One last thing the horses are better behaved now then before.When I was a kid (40 years ago)the things the did to horses in Florida would definitely qualify as animal abuse.
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The BIGGER question is that Brian in the bike?
If so he's much more at fault and in boiling hot water
a 24 year old isn't doing that without being taught to or at least made to believe it's ok from his boss
If the USTA is trying to lay 100% of the blame on Brevin, that's nothing more than trying to protect Brian.
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I think maybe the horse needed to be line driven another day ???
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after watching the video again
it's possibly someone who does track maintenance taking the video
individual filming appears to be in a tractor or similar that is idling.
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2 things I was told...that it was a lady in a car who took the video on her phone and yes it is Brown
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I am going to chime in with something that is going to be "unpopular" with some. Anyway, I watched the video 4 times including zoomed and slow motion. I know next to nothing about breaking babies, but logic tells me the "line guys" seemed inexperienced and were out of position. But hey, every one has to learn.
Once the horse throws himself to the ground, the kid coming up and kicking him is DEAD WRONG. Whether he was "taught" to or told to or he he just acted out of frustration. I think most on here will acknowledge that one sole kick like that probably caused no serious injury,, but still, he is DEAD WRONG to do so and you are teaching the horse nothing but to fear you and the whole process.
Now, when you see the fat guy jump off ( Brian Brown, we are told ), he goes to the prone horse and start to "lay the whip" on him in what looks like a foolish, amateurish effort to "snap the horse to his feet". If you don't like that description, I am sorry.
But, I am asking fellow horseman does it really look like he is striking the horse's side with fury and full force? Look at the "cadence" of his arm swing and the speed and the way he is holding the whip. It looks terrible and accomplishes nothing, but it doesn't come off at least to me like there is intense fury or intent to injure there. The blows Dale Hiteman rained down seemed worse, especially when he went near the filly's head and neck with the whip.
Sad, that as these videos surface, you know on a percentage basis, we are seeing only a minute fraction of what goes on.
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I think maybe the horse needed to be line driven another day ???
I would say you’re right. Still has the hip numbers on so I’m guessing they wasted no time putting it in the cart
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I am going to chime in with something that is going to be "unpopular" with some. Anyway, I watched the video 4 times including zoomed and slow motion. I know next to nothing about breaking babies, but logic tells me the "line guys" seemed inexperienced and were out of position. But hey, every one has to learn.
Once the horse throws himself to the ground, the kid coming up and kicking him is DEAD WRONG. Whether he was "taught" to or told to or he he just acted out of frustration. I think most on here will acknowledge that one sole kick like that probably caused no serious injury,, but still, he is DEAD WRONG to do so and you are teaching the horse nothing but to fear you and the whole process.
Now, when you see the fat guy jump off ( Brian Brown, we are told ), he goes to the prone horse and start to "lay the whip" on him in what looks like a foolish, amateurish effort to "snap the horse to his feet". If you don't like that description, I am sorry.
But, I am asking fellow horseman does it really look like he is striking the horse's side with fury and full force? Look at the "cadence" of his arm swing and the speed and the way he is holding the whip. It looks terrible and accomplishes nothing, but it doesn't come off at least to me like there is intense fury or intent to injure there. The blows Dale Hiteman rained down seemed worse, especially when he went near the filly's head and neck with the whip.
Sad, that as these videos surface, you know on a percentage basis, we are seeing only a minute fraction of what goes on.
I had nearly the same Take honestly. The guys third lining did a shit job and he kicked the horse out of anger not to prevent injury to himself or the horse. Might have made a bad situation worse actually.
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I would say you’re right. Still has the hip numbers on so I’m guessing they wasted no time putting it in the cart
The other line guy, with the beard is extremely experienced and did just as he should, he shares non if the blame in this, if you think the kid did not do exactly as he was told, you're wrong!
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tmbz1
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Team effort
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I do not believe Brevin was told to do this. I know he is a hot head and acted on his own. I also know trainers carry a whip for a reason and this is one reason. The trainer did the right thing by TAPPING the horse to get up. Yes, Brevin should be suspended, but Brian did nothing wrong.
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Hey Fug I agree with you.
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I do not believe Brevin was told to do this. I know he is a hot head and acted on his own. I also know trainers carry a whip for a reason and this is one reason. The trainer did the right thing by TAPPING the horse to get up. Yes, Brevin should be suspended, but Brian did nothing wrong.
If Brown was sitting right there, I feel this falls under trainer responsibility. He wouldn't have done anything to the kid if this video was never a thing. The "kid" is 24, you don't know it's wrong to kick a horse in the head? The "kid" is gone and should be. Brown should have something coming his way too!
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The kid kicked the horse 1 time then backed fight out of the way. If that was BB in the cart I’m going to guess he said something to him to get him to immediately back away
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Brian should not be held responsible for someone else's actions.
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If the guys holding the 3rd lines had any idea of what they doing, they would have been equal with his head or a little bit in front of him. When he went up in the air they should have pulled down and forward. Instead of being behind him. The horse didn't collapse he threw himself down. If you have experience people on the third line I doubt this would have happened. Kicking the horse was an asshole move. But PETA is blowing out of proportion. The kicker shouldn't be around babies .
One last thing the horses are better behaved now then before.When I was a kid (40 years ago)the things the did to horses in Florida would definitely qualify as animal abuse.
You are dead nuts on point about the way that the 3rd lines should be used!
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The kid kicked the horse 1 time then backed fight out of the way. If that was BB in the cart I’m going to guess he said something to him to get him to immediately back away
This was my take as well. The kicker should be nowhere near a horse, let alone babies, but what BB did doesn't even hit my radar as inappropriate behavior and I am probably over-the-top about what constitutes bad/abusive horsemanship.
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Well from the above responses it appears many of us are in agreement about what went on, culpability and intent concerning this whole fandango. When Remington agrees with me, you know I must be right. Just Kidding!
Only reasons I even chimed in on here was because someone suggested the guy deserve to have the shit beat out of them, that sorta stuff and Petrelli released a 12 minute video where he acts as if these guys were Nazi storm troopers, especially Brown who he said should be in fear now and he basically excuses the 24 year old as being green,
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For those defending BB I have 1 question....did BB fire Lupton or even push him away after what happened... the answer is no. As I stated elsewhere it was a lady on her phone that taped the incident, not the guy on the tractor.
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I do not believe Brevin was told to do this. I know he is a hot head and acted on his own. I also know trainers carry a whip for a reason and this is one reason. The trainer did the right thing by TAPPING the horse to get up. Yes, Brevin should be suspended, but Brian did nothing wrong.
keep trying
Brian is going down if that's him in the bike
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For those defending BB I have 1 question....did BB fire Lupton or even push him away after what happened... the answer is no. As I stated elsewhere it was a lady on her phone that taped the incident, not the guy on the tractor.
A good question and I thought someone did post they were fired but maybe not.
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Fuguzzi, well said I agree with your assessment of this incident.
I can't help but wonder though, why Lupton thought that was the appropriate way to deal with the situation, kicking the yearling?!
And in front of his boss to boot. Has he be taught, that that's what should be done? As listed trainer of record though, BB should have some culpability.
I also wonder, did BB fire Lupton on his own, or ?
SB- Great eye spotting the tags, I completely missed that
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Fuguzzi, well said I agree with your assessment of this incident.
I can't help but wonder though, why Lupton thought that was the appropriate way to deal with the situation, kicking the yearling?!
And in front of his boss to boot. Has he be taught, that that's what should be done? As listed trainer of record though, BB should have some culpability.
I also wonder, did BB fire Lupton on his own, or ?
SB- Great eye spotting the tags, I completely missed that
Kid 👦 ver reacts and BB obviously told him to back off. Kid should be fined but not have his life ruined I’ve done worse to people and didn’t go to jail
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Fuguzzi, well said I agree with your assessment of this incident.
I can't help but wonder though, why Lupton thought that was the appropriate way to deal with the situation, kicking the yearling?!
And in front of his boss to boot. Has he be taught, that that's what should be done? As listed trainer of record though, BB should have some culpability.
I also wonder, did BB fire Lupton on his own, or ?
SB- Great eye spotting the tags, I completely missed that
Ty. I wish I had the answers to some of your questions. Definitely has a certain culpability as trainer of record. Like someone else said no need to ruin lives here.
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Kid 👦 ver reacts and BB obviously told him to back off. Kid should be fined but not have his life ruined I’ve done worse to people and didn’t go to jail
Very fair and rational response from you Stan.
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Groom Lipton fired. From a family of hot headed hillbillies. Saw hid Dad in several fights at Lebanon. If you think Brian Brown told him to kick the horse in the head you are dead wrong. Looks like Brian got off the cart and told him to get the hell out of the way.
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if this happenend 25 years ago, this act of abuse would not be an issue. The world is different now and you morons can spin it anyway you like but kicking and whipping a horse laying on the ground is abuse and I can promise you all involved are in a heap of trouble.
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Ya know what really used to piss me off. When some moody, half in the bag Blacksmith would elbow a horse in the ribs cause they pulled a leg back or something. That's why mine never went to the shop alone. I am sure you were the same way, Mike.
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Ya know what really used to piss me off. When some moody, half in the bag Blacksmith would elbow a horse in the ribs cause they pulled a leg back or something. That's why mine never went to the shop alone. I am sure you were the same way, Mike.
Absolutely! I treated my horses like they were my children. You fuck with them, I'm going to fuck with you.
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These things are nothing like they used to be. A lot of bad bred horses, some took a long time to break, how any jog carts got broken. I had an Bye Bye Byrd 2yr old who I raced with a telescope bridle with tape on the bottom a kicking strap, tail tied straight back, lift the bike up and tie it. Sit on his tail, if ya didn't have him tied in tight he would try to jump anything and kick like a mule. That's not the first yearling that's been kicked in the head, beat with a whip. Not saying it's right but it's been done before.
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Groom Lipton fired. From a family of hot headed hillbillies. Saw hid Dad in several fights at Lebanon. If you think Brian Brown told him to kick the horse in the head you are dead wrong. Looks like Brian got off the cart and told him to get the hell out of the way.
Upton was not fired on the spot, thats 1. 2. No one said that BB told Upton to kick the horse in the head and 3. unless you have a video with audio you have NO idea what BB said. I know this may seem strange to you but try sticking to facts rather than assumptions.
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Too bad we can't get a digger like Heraldo Reveria on the case! Would pay to learn more about the animal itself! What is the name and what farm consigned it to the sale for starters! Would also like to hear imput on the situation from the breeder and current owner also.Last but not least by finding out the aforementioned facts, be able to follow the youngster thru its career!Inquiring minds may want to know!
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Hope not the ones Roc is sending his way(B.B)
I think you have to be over 250lbs to work with mr.brown
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The poor horse was probably in distress trying to pull that 400 pound load
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Look closer at the video. BB does not have a whip. He is shaking one of the lines at the horse. You have to do something to get it up.
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Look closer at the video. BB does not have a whip. He is shaking one of the lines at the horse. You have to do something to get it up.
After you get your eyes checked and look at the video again we will gladly accept your apology as BB definitely has a whip in his hand.
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Who would be stupid enough not to take a whip with a yearling. I learned you took a whip every time you went on the track, didn't mean ya used it.
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After you get your eyes checked and look at the video again we will gladly accept your apology as BB definitely has a whip in his hand.
OK here it is, a first on Horseplop: I apologize for my mistake. I do see (using the desk top, not the fuzzy cell phone) that BB has a whip in his hand. Note that he is using it in an easy manner. Now you be the second to apologize for being rude. I do not need my eyes checked.
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OK here it is, a first on Horseplop: I apologize for my mistake. I do see (using the desk top, not the fuzzy cell phone) that BB has a whip in his hand. Note that he is using it in an easy manner. Now you be the second to apologize for being rude. I do not need my eyes checked.
Sorry my friend but you DO need your eyes checked! Your eyes are close to shot if you're seeing apologies on this site! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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OK here it is, a first on Horseplop: I apologize for my mistake. I do see (using the desk top, not the fuzzy cell phone) that BB has a whip in his hand. Note that he is using it in an easy manner. Now you be the second to apologize for being rude. I do not need my eyes checked.
Rude? Try factual and if you read most threads on HP you will see that I am a pussycat when it comes to language. If you read my previous post about 4-5 above your original you will see what my problem with BB is but nothing will happen since he is BB. By the way, no apology is forthcoming since I commented on your misinformation and defens of BB