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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Horseradish on October 24, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xjj76_vAYw
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He has a big following on facebook.....
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What is with this guy opening this can of worms. We all know the deal. But what makes this issue his new mission? Comes off like a raging nut.
Only thing he said that I agree with is Ray Schnittker for the HOF. Glad he acknowledged Ray's tireless work ethic too.
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He has a big following on facebook.....
He's got a bigger following that he's block!
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He is just saying publicly what anonymous posters have said on here for years but nobody had the balls to do anything about it.
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What is with this guy opening this can of worms. We all know the deal. But what makes this issue his new mission? Comes off like a raging nut.
Only thing he said that I agree with is Ray Schnittker for the HOF. Glad he acknowledged Ray's tireless work ethic too.
He is a raging nut.
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There is a photo out there of Jenn in a jog cart, with her hair flying, but people have said that it's photoshopped.
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For like 50 years, drivers have used wives as listed trainers. I know she is his sister. But do any of us think, the wives and sisters and daughters are calling all the shots, going the trips and so forth, At home raising kids mostly.
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If the driver had the extraordinary list of problems and suspensions of Bob bongiorno then it would have also been a problem
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I agree is is half nutz but he has a point. She isn't even there with the horses 99% of the time. She's too busy laying around all day playing on her phone being with Sears who she repeatedly refers to as her BF on camera.
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I don't think you have to jog or train a horse to be called a trainer U.S.T.A. has no rule on that yin the old days you wrote there test to get a licence.
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Her cross hairs?
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What is with this guy opening this can of worms. We all know the deal. But what makes this issue his new mission? Comes off like a raging nut.
Only thing he said that I agree with is Ray Schnittker for the HOF. Glad he acknowledged Ray's tireless work ethic too.
he may be opening a can of worms.... but aren't the worms the problem of the sport or should I say the decline of the sport ?
It's either expose or bury our heads and pretend like nothing happens.
We have vet trainers getting scratched from premier races (the jug )
Breeding farms drawing blood without trainers knowledge
A network of making and distributing compound medication that has been used by hundreds of trainers yet investigation
has stopped after a dozen or so go down by the FBI
Paper trainers as in this topics case, that seems to be status quo in the industry.
All part of the business --- nothing to see here --- chicken shit agencies that don't have the stomach to pursue.
probably why I have small shares in two harness horses and 9 thoroughbreds.
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I don't think you have to jog or train a horse to be called a trainer U.S.T.A. has no rule on that yin the old days you wrote there test to get a licence.
has it changed ? I know its been awhile, but I had to have 5 trainers sign for me that they witnessed me training and rating a horse.
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For like 50 years, drivers have used wives as listed trainers. I know she is his sister. But do any of us think, the wives and sisters and daughters are calling all the shots, going the trips and so forth, At home raising kids mostly.
Exactly. Certainly not anything new. Maybe she spends most of her time under a horse giving it an amish oil change. Wtf cares?
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has it changed ? I know its been awhile, but I had to have 5 trainers sign for me that they witnessed me training and rating a horse.
Exactly. Besides the test you had to have licensed trainers sign for you verifying your capability on the track and in the barn. Has that changed?
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Exactly. Besides the test you had to have licensed trainers sign for you verifying your capability on the track and in the barn. Has that changed?
No. You still need 5 or 6 signatures from trainers. Not hard to get if you got the right talents
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No. You still need 5 or 6 signatures from trainers. Not hard to get if you got the right talents
this biggest holdup was that I had to supply the names of trainers -- they would mail the application to the trainer and then wait till 5 returned.
Almost everyone knew me, getting names was easy. They saw me on the track and at minimum knew I was competent. But it took a few weeks before the USTA called me to say to come in and take the test.
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has it changed ? I know its been awhile, but I had to have 5 trainers sign for me that they witnessed me training and rating a horse.
I don't know it it's because I was rather young, but I had to have Joe Marsh jr. watch me go a trip in a prescribed time. I actually went 2 seconds faster. ngc3 I guess it was him because he was the driver's rep. to management at the time.
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I agree is is half nutz but he has a point. She isn't even there with the horses 99% of the time. She's too busy laying around all day playing on her phone being with Sears who she repeatedly refers to as her BF on camera.
I agree essentially. It's just that he comes off like what he is. A bitter old guy who couldn't function in the business and always has a 10 foot ax to grind. If he was more moderate and had a resume that mattered, I would believe his motives were more altruistic.
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A driver get's approved and he starts with Qua / Fair License then goes to P then to A. If your a trainer you just give out a few Bj's and your training 20-40 head at Meadowlands next week. This would never happen in T-breds. You have to be trainer for a min one year before you can train one. They are much stricter in there rules.
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This not about Jen but response to last post...harness trainers know 100times more about a horse than t bred trainers...they do nothing except rely on others....hey bud go twoMiles jog today...see u in barn....harness trainers hands on....t bred trainers can't breath the sa m e air as harness trainers....I can go on and on
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I agree essentially. It's just that he comes off like what he is. A bitter old guy who couldn't function in the business and always has a 10 foot ax to grind. If he was more moderate and had a resume that mattered, I would believe his motives were more altruistic.
He just made you his next subject, only blasted you for a minute though
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He just made you his next subject, only blasted you for a minute though
I didn't think he picked on grooms.
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I didn't think he picked on grooms.
I can only take from this is that Mike Petrelli was a groom? Otherwise i don't understand. Sorry
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I agree essentially. It's just that he comes off like what he is. A bitter old guy who couldn't function in the business and always has a 10 foot ax to grind. If he was more moderate and had a resume that mattered, I would believe his motives were more altruistic.
Definitely has a motive...but doesn't make what he is saying untrue. He just ripped PK a new one. Good for him, PK thinks he's better than everyone. I guess he forgot about his checkered past!
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Her cross hairs?
Those neatly waxed short hairs.... 11.lapz
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He is a raging nut.
There’s quite a few nuts on horseplop too!
Your point is??
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Speaking of Nut. How about Jen B getting nutted on? She used to be even hotter with that black patch of landing strip.
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This not about Jen but response to last post...harness trainers know 100times more about a horse than t bred trainers...they do nothing except rely on others....hey bud go twoMiles jog today...see u in barn....harness trainers hands on....t bred trainers can't breath the sa m e air as harness trainers....I can go on and on
Name me one harness trainer that switched over to T-Breds and had any success? I never said T-bred trainers were better, I said it was much harder to get a license and race. We are letting people have General Trainers license who couldn't be a groom for most top stables.
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Lou Meittinis was doing pretty well with claimers and allowances horses at NYRA. Tagariello didn't do well at all.
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fugs whats that have to do with Jen B's waxed box?
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Name me one harness trainer that switched over to T-Breds and had any success? I never said T-bred trainers were better, I said it was much harder to get a license and race. We are letting people have General Trainers license who couldn't be a groom for most top stables.
Roger Stein
Barry Abrams
Don Swick
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Speaking of Nut. How about Jen B getting nutted on? She used to be even hotter with that black patch of landing strip.
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Nothing ngc3 was responding to the question about Harness trainers who switched to the runners
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Roger Stein
Barry Abrams
Don Swick
Mediocre at best. Bill Robinson tried, Monte Gelrod, Bob Belcher, Takter, & many more and have failed miserably. Maybe the great Ron Burke can go train Thoroughbreds? He always brags that his stuff can't be stopped.
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Roger Stein
Barry Abrams
Don Swick
Stein was another harness "trainer" who never sat in a jogcart. Paul Bumenfeld trained for him.
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Thought I read somewhere that one of the Antonacci kids did pretty well at Saratoga this year after leaving harness.
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Thought I read somewhere that one of the Antonacci kids did pretty well at Saratoga this year after leaving harness.
Philip trained in the Godolphin program. Was never in Harness Horses became a TB trainer from the get go.
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Oh I see. Just a harness family Gotcha
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Oh I see. Just a harness family Gotcha
They have always had a pretty significant group of TB's as well bred by Lindy Farms.
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tmbz1
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now lets get back to Jeb B's dark brown aureolas and that waxed box of tricks.
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Dont forget what I hope is a little pink, rosebud butthole ;D
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Dont forget what I hope is a little pink, rosebud butthole ;D
a rosebud by todays terminology is a prolapsed anus. i dont think thats what you want to see
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The only person who believes Jenn can or does train is Jenn. Anytime you listen to a interview with her it’s clear she knows little. But not one racing commission cares. If she was , pick a trainer Allard, Banca, , Oakes , Carl Conte’s daughter , at the very least the buffoonery that is Meadowlands, TD, & VD would refuse their entries. But this is the state of racing. As long as the people winning are perceived to be the ones that should win then all is good.
Just look at the Crawford’s & Now DC/ AB
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Gary contessa...Alan seewald....Tony quaterrolla....ma ny more I can name....ask them what they think....
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The only person who believes Jenn can or does train is Jenn. Anytime you listen to a interview with her it’s clear she knows little. But not one racing commission cares. If she was , pick a trainer Allard, Banca, , Oakes , Carl Conte’s daughter , at the very least the buffoonery that is Meadowlands, TD, & VD would refuse their entries. But this is the state of racing. As long as the people winning are perceived to be the ones that should win then all is good.
Just look at the Crawford’s & Now DC/ AB
Crawford Farms and Diamond Creek should be brought before the USTA and memberships revoked. but they wont because of the ad stream dollars and the "supposed" good they do to keep the industry afloat. Bowdens a sniveling bitch that want to be an Antonaucci and will never be.
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But back to Jen ass up and that gap toothed smile. ;D
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This not about Jen but response to last post...harness trainers know 100times more about a horse than t bred trainers...they do nothing except rely on others....hey bud go twoMiles jog today...see u in barn....harness trainers hands on....t bred trainers can't breath the sa m e air as harness trainers....I can go on and on
Agree. Had a business associate who started grooming standardbreds out of high school and then later on rehabbed thoroughbreds. She always said she learned everything about working on legs from her days with standardbreds but the broken down t-breds kept her in business. I've never been much impressed with t-bred trainers. I even new one that used to chase his horses up and down a long paddock with a 4 wheeler.
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"A driver get's approved and he starts with Qua / Fair License then goes to P then to A. If your a trainer you just give out a few Bj's and your training 20-40 head at Meadowlands next week"
Seems reasonable to me!
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This is such BS--and shows just how petty and jealous some members of this Sport can be.
Guess how many trainers-DONT actually sit behind their horses??? Is it only Jen?? BS-there are many.
How does Ron Burke for eg sit behind the 300 horses he trains-and spread out over 4-5 States?? Hes down as "trainer" on all of them. Boggles my mind no one actually knows who actually sits behind jogs and trains nearly all of his horses--so doesnt seem to bother anyone--except if its Jen?? In fact---how many Tbred trainers actually "ride" their horses?? Think Baffert,Pletcher etc ride their horses--no---none of them.
A monkey could jog a horse if you train it--in fact--motorized monkeys--actually train and race Camels.
So--if you boil it down--the most important part of being a horse trainer--is NOT if you sit behind it and jog and train it---BUT how you manage it--how you run your barn,how you handle the wellbeing of your horse-how you classify it etc etc
Thats where people like Burke, Baffert,Pletcher--outshine the rest.
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this last one brings up a valid point
what is the definition of a standardbred trainer
i do agree that you do not need to actually sit behind a horse to be considered a trainer
for example what if a current standardbred trainer was injured or back was so bad they could not jog horses
should they then lose their license or could they still train based on knowledge and have someone else jog and this guy watches them go
the issue here clearly is that we all assume she is just bearding for her dad or some other trainer of ill repute, that's what pisses us off
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AAAh---Mr JUg--OK--if THATS the concern--she is actually "bearding"--then I would assume that would mean-she has nothing or v little to do with the running of the Bongiorno Barn--and others are actually doing everything .
Ive been to the Bongiorno Barn-and seen them on occasions---Jen was always there--in fact with training suit on. She knows everything about every horse in the barn.When they sell one--Jen is the one you talk to-and she shows you the horse if you come to look at it.Jen handles the operations for running the stable. Goes to the races on many occasions to be with the horses also. I call total BS-that she is a "beard".
Joe actually trains and helps jog the horses when he can--although there are many days when hes not there at all. He cant be down as "trainer" because if Joe got days driving-he then cant be trainer either and horses dont race.Thats not fair on their owners.
So IMHO--its a family operation--no one is bearding for anyone--end of story.
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AAAh---Mr JUg--OK--if THATS the concern--she is actually "bearding"--then I would assume that would mean-she has nothing or v little to do with the running of the Bongiorno Barn--and others are actually doing everything .
so where does her active duties begin and end ?
Was she one the hitting the horses with ethamsylate ?? Now the stable has four positives 11.wp
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You are wrong Bond. If Joe gets days for driving it has nothing to do with his training status. He can still train and race horses so it has no affect on the owners. The other side is if he gets a positive training it will have an affect on the barn.
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There aren't many days that Ronnie isn't sitting behind horses, Could be at any of the training centers or Tracks they're at. If he's in town he's at the Meadows or the farm.
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Will Joe be able to take over training with both father and sister on the list ?? Lots of interesting things to watch.
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Will Joe be able to take over training with both father and sister on the list ?? Lots of interesting things to watch.
Anymore Bongo's in the bloodline to take over the training duties since Dad and Sis now have positives .....
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Only at Big M, they'll take a page from Surick and flood the box at freehold. I hope they follow him right to prision.
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i think you misunderstood my point bond
i was suggesting that there are likely different definitions of what a trainer is today
not all trainers sit behind all the horses
so perhaps she is managing the stable without sitting behind horses( is that a "trainer"? not sure)
so maybe beard isnt the right word, perhaps stable manager
however i am sure all the folks on here would love to see a video of jenn hooking one up and going a training mile , perhaps next time you are at the barn you could get that
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WE HAVE A BIG TIME AMISH TRAINER AT HOOSIER WHO IS HANDICAPPED AND IN A WHEELCHAIR. THE GUY HAS TO BE LISTED AS TRAINER ON OVER 100 HORSES AND NOBODY SAYS A WORD ABOUT HIM NOT SITTING BEHIND THE HORSES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
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I thought her brother trains her horses
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I thought her brother trains her horses
He does. I was at Gaitway for 2 years. Never once saw her on the track. Mostly she only showed up to video the horses when they trained
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WE HAVE A BIG TIME AMISH TRAINER AT HOOSIER WHO IS HANDICAPPED AND IN A WHEELCHAIR. THE GUY HAS TO BE LISTED AS TRAINER ON OVER 100 HORSES AND NOBODY SAYS A WORD ABOUT HIM NOT SITTING BEHIND THE HORSES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
difference is he’s not fucking Sears and Burke at the same time while his dad and brother are drugging the horses up and doing all the work!
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Quote from: old guy on October 24, 2023, 06:36:40 PM
Roger Stein
Barry Abrams
Don Swick
Stein was another harness "trainer" who never sat in a jogcart. Paul Bumenfeld trained for him.
Yeah but Roger could drive a golf cart with the best of them.
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Right after Jen was named "TRAINER OF THE YEAR', I made a statement here on Plop that I still stand by which was that it is an insult to true HORSEMEN and the integrity of Harness Racing for such a travesty to be allowed to exist. Furthermore, I stated that I didn't believe that Jen actually knew which end of a horse the shit came out of. As far as getting a Trainer's License is concerned, I got mine almost immediately by stating that I was only going to train my own horses. No muss, no fuss. As far as sending horses to California, Chicago, Jersey, or Florida, I had to be licensed there also but still was listed on the program as trainer.
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When will Joey's girlfriend be listed on them all?
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Name me one harness trainer that switched over to T-Breds and had any success? I never said T-bred trainers were better, I said it was much harder to get a license and race. We are letting people have General Trainers license who couldn't be a groom for most top stables.
Norm McKnight had a very good run. A lot of speculation as to the drop-off. Some say he lost his major owner, others say something else he lost.
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Jennifer enters the horses and keeps track of the classes. She deals with the owners. She’s does the paperwork involved in running a stable. That barn wouldn’t run so good without her .
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Wouldn't that make her a secretary?
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Outstanding, trainer of the year! Doesn't really train, but the barn wouldn't run so good without her, she she does the paperwork involved in running the stable! My wife did All the paperwork, including entries, USTA, etc. She was called "the bookkeeper" NOT the trainer. Jen takes care of the owners, WTF does that mean.
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Outstanding, trainer of the year! Doesn't really train, but the barn wouldn't run so good without her, she she does the paperwork involved in running the stable! My wife did All the paperwork, including entries, USTA, etc. She was called "the bookkeeper" NOT the trainer. Jen takes care of the owners, WTF does that mean.
Maybe she's the fluffer.!
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She fluffs for quite a few. But she's still Sear's Main Bai.
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I think Brian Sears is past 50. How old is Jen?
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I think Brian Sears is past 50. How old is Jen?
Dirty Three
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I think Brian Sears is past 50. How old is Jen?
55 and 33.
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olive oil
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Sear has about 20 years on Jenn
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The cream always rises to the top ! Plop haters can’t stop Jenn , she’ll be back in full force
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The cream always rises to the top ! Plop haters can’t stop Jenn , she’ll be back in full force
She looks like a light breeze could stop all 90 lbs of her.
But let's see how it plays out.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Best case like you said.
Worst case scenario she'll train therapy animals in minimum security and be roommated with an amazon named Hilda who might use Jenn as her personal toothpick.
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Sear has about 20 years on Jenn
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olive oil
LOL ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 LOL that must make Sear's her POPEYE. Well makes sense now...
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Shame that the industry allowed this fake be listed on horses she never touched...
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I saw her in her colors at Yonkers about 6-7 years ago. She was in the jog cart and going up the ramp but I didn't actually watch her on the track.
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The barn still has plenty of options as far as the trainer name in the program. Jenn's name will most likely be a casualty along with the father but we can think that was their plan anyway
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People like her make this industry a laughing stock
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interesting that she might go to jail while her father doesn't ???
thanks daddy !!
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interesting that she might go to jail while her father doesn't ???
thanks daddy !!
I'd love to know what made her give up the TV gigs. She is actually well spoken and attractive enough to look at. Also, I have to believe she would have eventually been offered national opportunities. Now, she is one step from being fiitted for an orange jumpsuit.
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Shame that the industry allowed this fake be listed on horses she never touched...
She touched my horse once. But that was years ago, 2016 to be exact, she was shortly after her grandfather passed. (2-3 days) 11.wp
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You are aaaaaaaa LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND............. ...........
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I'd love to know what made her give up the TV gigs. She is actually well spoken and attractive enough to look at. Also, I have to believe she would have eventually been offered national opportunities. Now, she is one step from being fiitted for an orange jumpsuit.
National opportunities? Look, I know the standards of excellence in harness racing are not much hite than a curb on my street. But, to say she is well spoken and attractive enough national work is quite insane. Have you seen what a national horse racing analyst or personality looks and sounds like. Have you seen what NYRA and Kentucky racing puts on the air?
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Prepping for cameo for Paramount's new series: SKANKS OF NEW JERSEY' tmbz1
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National opportunities? Look, I know the standards of excellence in harness racing are not much hite than a curb on my street. But, to say she is well spoken and attractive enough national work is quite insane. Have you seen what a national horse racing analyst or personality looks and sounds like. Have you seen what NYRA and Kentucky racing puts on the air?
She used to do telecasts with Gary Siebel and Dave Brower, both of whom did national work. I thought she handled herself pretty well. The only insanity I possess is responding to a fuckface like yourself.
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Oh there are 'National Opportunities' aplenty... Any street corner of any city of her choice, though better get a shave if she wants less than [pardon the pun] bottom $$. 11.wp
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Oh there are 'National Opportunities' aplenty... Any street corner of any city of her choice, though better get a shave if she wants less than [pardon the pun] bottom $$. 11.wp
I can just imagine what an Ohio yahoo like yourself is sleeping with.
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That Wally sure seems to have your number with your need to resort to name calling when you are at a loss for a relevant civil response.
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That Wally sure seems to have your number with your need to resort to name calling when you are at a loss for a relevant civil response.
MC has a very unique talent I've observed when interacting with me (and others).
For example:
He can start a response with I want for your well being and end it with drop dead.
or in reverse:
Go fuck yourself.....have nice day!
Some of his opinions get lodged in my lower intestines. A simple 2-day cleanse, and I'll be fine.
On the thread subject I said my peace. Be well. tmbz1
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It prob didn't take too much convincing to get her agree to be the named trainer/fall guy photog for the barn. Gural couldn't have been paying much more than $20 bucks an hour.
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HELLLLLLLLL YAZZZZZZAAAAAAZZZ ZZZ
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That Wally sure seems to have your number with your need to resort to name calling when you are at a loss for a relevant civil response.
Name calling uh? You called Jen Bongiorno a skank and a street whore. It seems to me asswipe, you can dish it out but cry like the cunt you are when someone bites back. Oh, I could give two shits what Wally thinks of me and 2.5 shits what you think of me. By the way, did it hurt when you had your balls cut off?
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Oh, I could give two shits what Wally thinks of me and 2.5 shits what you think of me.
In comparison, thank you very much. That 1/2 a shit feels like I nosed out a win. ngc3
Why so angry...Ohhhhh you must of eaten a whole bag of rotten dicks. Did you chew and savor the experience or did you swallow them whole one after another?
You're just the type prick I want to introduce to my beautiful, successful sister who I love.
Hope you have a nice night! ;D
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In comparison, thank you very much. That 1/2 a shit feels like I nosed out a win. ngc3
Why so angry...Ohhhhh you must of eaten a whole bag of rotten dicks. Did you chew and savor the experience or did you swallow them whole one after another?
You're just the type prick I want to introduce to my beautiful, successful sister who I love.
Hope you have a nice night! ;D
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Skank, yes..clearly accurate to even a casual observer. Though not sure how to view things from a NJ point of view.[thank god] Didn't call her a street walker, just that the 'national opportunities' are there for that should she choose. Was talkin generally of the name calling when interacting on here that you persist in and try to childishly bait others into.
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Skank, yes..clearly accurate to even a casual observer. Though not sure how to view things from a NJ point of view.[thank god] Didn't call her a street walker, just that the 'national opportunities' are there for that should she choose. Was talkin generally of the name calling when interacting on here that you persist in and try to childishly bait others into.
Based on that absurd logic, I guess I can call your wife and daughter two pieces of shit skank whores that probably take it up the ass for crack on a regular basis. Thanks for the clarification.
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In comparison, thank you very much. That 1/2 a shit feels like I nosed out a win. ngc3
Why so angry...Ohhhhh you must of eaten a whole bag of rotten dicks. Did you chew and savor the experience or did you swallow them whole one after another?
You're just the type prick I want to introduce to my beautiful, successful sister who I love.
Hope you have a nice night! ;D
Didn't take Flounder long to start with the cock innuendos.
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He is certainly Blutarsky
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Didn't take Flounder long to start with the cock innuendos.
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Are my posts too much to swallow?
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Btw, I love the flounder sauteed in butter and a lemon squeeze. You have good taste in insults. tmbz1
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He is certainly Blutarsky
Absolutely. Jumping into every thread and pissing everyone off. Just like our good ole Flounder!
Won't be long and he'll be gone again like SCM.
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Absolutely. Jumping into every thread and pissing everyone off. Just like our good ole Flounder!
Won't be long and he'll be gone again like SCM.
Kirby's Ace is going to drain the Plop Swamp!! tmbz1
Good for us ALL! ;D
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He is certainly Blutarsky
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Didn't take Flounder long to start with the cock innuendos.
LOL FLOUNDER IS BACK WITH NEW MATERIAL
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gone again like SCM.
Gone, lol not as of today's sign in?
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=28693
Fake News
Get your facts straight on old members here that are not here or are here.
SCM is a some stealth operator hiding all the time under the name of Michael Petrelli.
Nobody you claim is banded is a FACT LOL ngc3
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Back to the subject at hand............. ......... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Back to the subject at hand............. ......... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I just fantasized about putting the whole Bon Bon family in front of sled and urging them up a steep snowy mountain in unison.
OffTopic, made PLOP what it is today! 73cv.2
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I guess Jen Bon Bon should wax those cross hairs then...