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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Foalin at 4 on October 06, 2023, 04:07:17 PM
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HE SUCKS
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He knows more then you ever will.
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He knows more then you ever will.
Like you know me, LMAO
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Like you know me, LMAO
Agreed. Heyden has ALWAYS been a lousy handicapper. In fact, I don't know what he is good at or what his purpose is. I have been watching his act for over 35 years. Anybody can punch up a bunch of stats like "so and so is a half sister to the dam of blah, blah, blah" or "Ron Pierce is the winningest driver ever at the Big M on Fridays under a full moon". Tired, drab ass kisser.
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He Rattles off stats that are useless. Today, one of his big stats was that 2 great mares were born in the same month 15 years apart. WHO CARES!!!
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how about......this is a 3/4 sister
to the full brother of Professor Irwin Corey.
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He Rattles off stats that are useless. Today, one of his big stats was that 2 great mares were born in the same month 15 years apart. WHO CARES!!!
Exactly. Did he remind viewers that the month was prolly April or May and a VAST majority of racehorses are born then, so no biggie.
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First of all I remember when Holly was a lot heavier. It feels like at least 20 years that he has kept the weight off. How many of you chubby Ploppers can say that? Secondly do any of us really know a consistently good handicapper that isn’t on the inside cheating? I’ve always said being in the public and suggesting which horses to bet can be one of the most embarrassing of jobs. Third if you don’t appreciate what Holly has brought to the harness game for what seems like 40+ years, then just turn down the volume. He is just trying to educate and entertain you. Does he really hurt anyone whether in the game or just a fan? Ok Holly rarely smiles and seem a bit aloof at times, but his good has far outweighed any negatives that I am aware of. If you really wanted to pick on someone in the business try scum bags like Dale Hiteman not Holly Hayden.
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First of all I remember when Holly was a lot heavier. It feels like at least 20 years that he has kept the weight off. How many of you chubby Ploppers can say that? Secondly do any of us really know a consistently good handicapper that isn’t on the inside cheating? I’ve always said being in the public and suggesting which horses to bet can be one of the most embarrassing of jobs. Third if you don’t appreciate what Holly has brought to the harness game for what seems like 40+ years, then just turn down the volume. He is just trying to educate and entertain you. Does he really hurt anyone whether in the game or just a fan? Ok Holly rarely smiles and seem a bit aloof at times, but his good has far outweighed any negatives that I am aware of. If you really wanted to pick on someone in the business try scum bags like Dale Hiteman not Holly Hayden.
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Some people seem to like to bad mouth others. Of course, anonymously.
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First of all I remember when Holly was a lot heavier. It feels like at least 20 years that he has kept the weight off. How many of you chubby Ploppers can say that? Secondly do any of us really know a consistently good handicapper that isn’t on the inside cheating? I’ve always said being in the public and suggesting which horses to bet can be one of the most embarrassing of jobs. Third if you don’t appreciate what Holly has brought to the harness game for what seems like 40+ years, then just turn down the volume. He is just trying to educate and entertain you. Does he really hurt anyone whether in the game or just a fan? Ok Holly rarely smiles and seem a bit aloof at times, but his good has far outweighed any negatives that I am aware of.
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Heyden is a historian with over 40 years in the industry. If memory serves me correct, he started at Sports Eye before working at the Meadowlands. He has a wealth of knowledge acquired through the years, but that does not make him a handicapper. Handicapping is someone's opinion like the guys who used to sell tip sheets when you walked in the track. If you need to rely on that -- good luck.
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First of all I remember when Holly was a lot heavier. It feels like at least 20 years that he has kept the weight off. How many of you chubby Ploppers can say that? Secondly do any of us really know a consistently good handicapper that isn’t on the inside cheating? I’ve always said being in the public and suggesting which horses to bet can be one of the most embarrassing of jobs. Third if you don’t appreciate what Holly has brought to the harness game for what seems like 40+ years, then just turn down the volume. He is just trying to educate and entertain you. Does he really hurt anyone whether in the game or just a fan? Ok Holly rarely smiles and seem a bit aloof at times, but his good has far outweighed any negatives that I am aware of. If you really wanted to pick on someone in the business try scum bags like Dale Hiteman not Holly Hayden.
1. Try talking to Heyden when HE is not in the mood to talk to you. 2 I would have a lot more respect for people like Bob Heyden and all others of his ilk, if and when, regardless of the fact that he is paid to pick horses, he and the others apologized when the horses perform abysmally. Of course, they are not responsible. I don't mean all the time, but say something when it's an epic beatdown. But case in point - a couple weeks ago after TYwinBJoeFresh rattles off that monster mile down at Lex. Ok, so he does the rah, rah interview with Chris Ryder. Now, it is Walner Payton's turn. Heyden is analyzing the race and says, "I feel that we are on the verge of seeing Walner Payton do some thing historic here, blah, blah, blah" Well, you all saw the race you couldn't find WP with a telescope as Mammamia Volo jerked her bridle. Never say something like, Sorry, guys I was really wrong about that one. then he goes down and fluffs up to Pinske. Heyden is a stat guy, he is no handicapper. Never was. Now Charlie Singer, the old odds maker at the NigM, that guy was sharp as a tack.
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Fug I don’t know any public handicapper who apologizes for a bad picks especially when they bet some other horse with longer odds 😉. I will add that Gabe Prewitt and John Berry, who put their opinions out there every live racing night at Pompano, never apologized either. However what they did to ease their followers pain was to regularly laugh at themselves. Both men are harness lifers with a lot of knowledge and their picks were rarely better than mine or some rookie bettor. When it comes to picking winners it is what it is. May the horse be with you!!
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Dont care for hayden as handicapper.
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You'll never find a television handicapper apologize for a loss -- it's an admission of defeat. They're basically there for the layman to get acquainted to the sport -- like the morning line odds -- what a joke they are sometimes.
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If you want to review bad handicapping tune into the FS1/2 Saratoga Racecourse NYRA show in the summer. These people are incredibly knowledgeable about the horses and the people responsible for their well being. They do all sorts of stories about the breeders, trainers and owners. It goes on and on how creative this show has been. Yet with all this most of the time they get it very wrong. Whether it is Jonathan Kinchen, professional handicapper, Gary Stevens or Richie Migliore ex-jocks etc they get it wrong many more times than an occasional winner, no real apologies. But if one of these people get one right the praise they bestow on each other is just over the top. You would think one of these guys found the cure for cancer. But no apologies 🤨
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If you want to review bad handicapping tune into the FS1/2 Saratoga Racecourse NYRA show in the summer. These people are incredibly knowledgeable about the horses and the people responsible for their well being. They do all sorts of stories about the breeders, trainers and owners. It goes on and on how creative this show has been. Yet with all this most of the time they get it very wrong. Whether it is Jonathan Kinchen, professional handicapper, Gary Stevens or Richie Migliore ex-jocks etc they get it wrong many more times than an occasional winner, no real apologies. But if one of these people get one right the praise they bestow on each other is just over the top. You would think one of these guys found the cure for cancer. But no apologies 🤨
To all of my friends, of course I don't expect Hollywood or anyone else to apologize for picking a loser. That's something we have to do to our wives ngc3 ngc3
But seriously as in the example I gave where you say you sense the horse is "on the verge of an historic performance" and then the horse goes out and can't function, at least say, as someone suggested in a self depricating way, "Boy, I messed that one up" and chuckle about it. makes him look more real and lightens the mood. No biggie!
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It's just an opinion..tv talent is to give info that is n I t on P rgram and discuss what is...giving their pucks is just extra...holy like all other talent try and do the same...it's nit about picking winners..yes that's nice but it ain't the gig
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Just last week at my local OTB, a former trainer asked me about Holly's handicapping. I said Holly is a good historian but a poor handicapper. It sounds as if most of you agree.
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The king of useless statistics is at it again. Who in the listening audience cares if 37 or whatever of the entrants haven't won a race yet? That's just one of a couple dozen already today and the races haven't even started yet.
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I remember him screaming obscenities at the driver on the way back to the paddock in the late 70s after blowing a bet. He was a rail bird.
Next thing I know he’s walking around with a jacket and tie on acting like a movie star.
Total joke
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Hollywood great guy. Nice to see his talents being used on a big stage again. Man, Holly must be hitting the early bird special at Perkin's near Hoosier Park. He's not the men's M / size 34 sportscoat these days ngc3 ngc3 ngc3. That super cougar I saw him with at the sales is keeping him corn fed. No more Jersey crash diets for Holly ngc3
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Yeah? I stood next to him for an hour at goshen on HOF day. He was alone, carrying a TJ Max bag with some papers in it. Looked like a frump and disinterested. On the souls of my children this is true.
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There is no room for analytics in horse racing
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HEYDEN IS TAPPIN A WEALTHY WIDOW OVER IN ANDERSON BY THE MEIJER'S! SHE'S GOOD LOOKIN FOR AN OLDER BROAD! DON'T SEE HIM UP AT THE RACES TOO MUCH. WHO CAN BLAME HIM WHEN HE'S GOT A SQUEEZE WAITING AT HOME FOR HIM?
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HEYDEN IS TAPPIN A WEALTHY WIDOW OVER IN ANDERSON BY THE MEIJER'S! SHE'S GOOD LOOKIN FOR AN OLDER BROAD! DON'T SEE HIM UP AT THE RACES TOO MUCH. WHO CAN BLAME HIM WHEN HE'S GOT A SQUEEZE WAITING AT HOME FOR HIM?
Good for him. Bad for her.
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Ha! You squeeze an older woman too hard and who knows what comes out 😀
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HEYDEN IS TAPPIN A WEALTHY WIDOW OVER IN ANDERSON BY THE MEIJER'S! SHE'S GOOD LOOKIN FOR AN OLDER BROAD! DON'T SEE HIM UP AT THE RACES TOO MUCH. WHO CAN BLAME HIM WHEN HE'S GOT A SQUEEZE WAITING AT HOME FOR HIM?
WTG Holly...Give her a wheel disc down the lane once for me 11.wp