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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: JIDGE on September 27, 2023, 12:52:32 PM
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RACE 1 - The Red Mile - KY - September 30, 2023
Conditions: BLUEGRASS SERIES #48 3 YEAR OLD COLTS & GELDINGS ENTRY FEE: $1,000 TOTAL PURSE: $219,000
Gait: PacePurse: 73,000Class: BLUEGRASSDistance: 1 MilePost Time: 1:00 PM
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 Christchurch
3, Always B Miki-
Darlinonthebeach 9 3 0 5 1:48.2M $217662 Chris Page Nancy Takter
2 Blue Hunt
3, Huntsville-
All On Top Hanover 11 0 3 2 Q1:50.4F $76631 Andrew McCarthy Deborah Daguet
3 Ken Hanover
3, Captaintreacherou s-
Kj`s Justine 15 7 4 1 1:48.4H $341623 David Miller Roland Mallar
4 Huntinthelastdola r
3, Huntsville-
Eighthunrdolarbil l 9 6 0 0 1:49.2S $288153 Douglas Mcnair Gregg Mcnair
5 Handlelikeaporsch e
3, Lazarus N-The Signature 8 0 2 0 Q1:52.4F $20407 Dexter Dunn Chris Ryder
6 Confederate
3, Sweet Lou-Geothermal 9 8 1 0 1:46.1M $1077929 Tim Tetrick Brett Pelling
7 Loubet
3, Sweet Lou-
Atsallrite Hanover 11 2 1 2 1:50.0F $32501 David Miller Ron Burke
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No waiting for Confederate fans. First race of the day.
It's My Show will probably race next week (and Confederate will take that one off). Race of the day will still probably be Sylvia Hanover vs Twin B Joe Fresh. If McClure is gapping at the half like she did Saturday she won't catch Twin B either.
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Interesting note -- Chris Page drives Christchurch a Diamond Creek, Taker trained horse -- not Gingras.
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No waiting for Confederate fans. First race of the day.
It's My Show will probably race next week (and Confederate will take that one off).
Maybe -- maybe not. Tattersalls next week is $400,000
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Bowden has already proven he doesn't care about purse money but I was just kind of making a joke about the ducking issue. As for Chris Page I think with all the entries Diamond Creek has coming into Hoosier, there will probably be driver conflicts so why not set something up now. Another possibility is they are thinking of moving him to another stable next year and Burke would probably be interested as he doesn't have a ton of FFA's and would respect Page's opinion.
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If this is at all true, I'm sure Ronnie would have already talked to YG. I think he as respect for his opinion, You think he needs another opinion, the only one who counts is his.
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Just idle speculation. Setting up a driver for a possible conflict at Hoosier seems most likely.
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They said at the Jug they were taking a week off
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Interesting because entries at usta.com show it listed as race 6
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Very interesting according to USTA -- now it's race 6. There's a UK college football game that afternoon -- perhaps they're moving it for possible traffic congestion?
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Not too many Jug horses are going to race two heats and then come right back and try to go with the top bunch. Doesn't he deserve a little rest?
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The owner of Its My Show has been on facebook all week touting his horse is better than Confederate! Then he ducks the race, hmmmm!
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The owner of Its My Show has been on facebook all week touting his horse is better than Confederate! Then he ducks the race, hmmmm!
No way is he better than Confederate IMO.
Too much speed, would go past It's My Show like he was tied to the pylons LOL
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rest easy folks
all the best will hook up in a week and if not then in the bc for sure
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No way is he better than Confederate IMO.
Too much speed, would go past It's My Show like he was tied to the pylons LOL
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Bowden has already proven he doesn't care about purse money but I was just kind of making a joke about the ducking issue. As for Chris Page I think with all the entries Diamond Creek has coming into Hoosier, there will probably be driver conflicts so why not set something up now. Another possibility is they are thinking of moving him to another stable next year and Burke would probably be interested as he doesn't have a ton of FFA's and would respect Page's opinion.
Or how about they were displeased with the Jug driver
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No way is he better than Confederate IMO.
Too much speed, would go past It's My Show like he was tied to the pylons LOL
He didn’t get bye in The NA Cup
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He didn’t get bye in The NA Cup
Wanna remain cordial, ( friends too hopefully ) so I am not gonna take the bait.
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Wanna remain cordial, ( friends too hopefully ) so I am not gonna take the bait.
There’s no bait to take. He didn’t get by him the cup.
The race Saturday is a mild group so Confederate has zero excuse. Hopefully they will all meet in the BC final and the king will be declared.
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There’s no bait to take. He didn’t get by him the cup.
The race Saturday is a mild group so Confederate has zero excuse. Hopefully they will all meet in the BC final and the king will be declared.
Yes, he didn't go by. He lost the NA Cup by the fastest diminishing head I have ever seen. Confederate last 1/4 in 26 IMS 27 Only blemish this year. If this is what Mr. Young is hanging his hat on to say IMS is better than Confederate, God Bless him. I don't do Facebook and not starting an account just to read his ramblings. Owners don't normally talk like he does. Win with class/lose with class.
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I have no clue where he hangs his hat. But I think that’s the only time the two have meet
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I have no clue where he hangs his hat. But I think that’s the only time the two have meet
thats right.
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Or how about they were displeased with the Jug driver
If they were displeased with Gingras drive on Cannibal then why is he still driving him?
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Agreed. They should have faced each other 4 or 5 times. That's how it used to be. Diamond Creek - breeding before racing. i get it. It's business.
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they have been saying that for years...
yet prices and stakes purses going higher and higher ...
Jug $1 Million
Metro $970,000
Yearling prices off the charts
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It is also bad for the future of the sport/industry. Confederate has not been very visible to people outside the industry. Now the biggest day at Lexington and he will nowhere to be seen. When the government subsidies go away, the breeding values will plummet.
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It is also bad for the future of the sport/industry. Confederate has not been very visible to people outside the industry. Now the biggest day at Lexington and he will nowhere to be seen. When the government subsidies go away, the breeding values will plummet.
He's very visible -- he's in the Bluegrass on Saturday at Lexington and he'll probably return the following Saturday in the Tattersalls, then on to Indiana.
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harness racing demise has been predicted for many years
but here we are with purses and yearling sales at all time highs
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they have been saying that for years...
yet prices and stakes purses going higher and higher ...
Jug $1 Million
Metro $970,000
Yearling prices off the charts
Do your homework before posting. The purse for the Metro was a million or more between 2001 and 2012.
The Meadowlands Pace purse was 668,000, the third lowest since the race started and even lower than in 1979 when Sonsam won and the purse was 750,000
The Jug was an anomaly they wanted to make a statement this year.
When you look at the value of todays money vs then, purses are down in value as well as numbers.
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Do your homework before posting. The purse for the Metro was a million or more between 2001 and 2012.
The Meadowlands Pace purse was 668,000, the third lowest since the race started and even lower than in 1979 when Sonsam won and the purse was 750,000
The Jug was an anomaly they wanted to make a statement this year.
When you look at the value of todays money vs then, purses are down in value as well as numbers.
Balls on accurate Woodrow Wilson used to go for 2 million or more Yr had that race for young horses, the Lawrence b Sheppard and they had the Cane, the Yonkers Trot, Hudson Filly Tro,t Dexter Cup.I think Ceraso won the Sheppard with a small colt named June's Baby one year. Went for like $660,000 All those races went for big money in the days it was worth more.
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Simple, Gingras would go for it. Remember what he did to Somebeachsomewher e. Diamond Creek cannot take that risk.
Please tell us what Yanick did to SBSW.
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Tetrick drives the best DC Yanick on 2nd best Needed someone to commit to the 3rd before they get into the next month of racing
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Balls on accurate Woodrow Wilson used to go for 2 million or more Yr had that race for young horses, the Lawrence b Sheppard All those races went for big money in the days it was worth more.
They still have the Sheppard it was brought back in 2012. The problem with it is that it is early in the 2 year old season and NO ONE shows up except for a few NY breds that can handle a half.
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Ty I gotta get with it.....
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your missing the point fellas and so i assume you dont breed/race horses
sure there was a few high profile stakes races back in the day that went for more, but how many horses can win those, correct 1, i think one year there was 80 horses entered in the woodrow, there was NO SIRES STAKES TO SPEAK OF, certainly not at todays level
now the average 3 yr old can earn top dollar by doing well in the sires stakes and doing well in some of the grand circuit or other major races
there is far more money available today than there was back in those days
look at how many sires stakes races go for good money with 5, 6 horses in them
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Do you know who you are talking to? Do you know what happens when you "assume" You know damn well Fuguzzi was a trainer. I owned back then and published research books on breeding sales records and earnings.
Won't go into too much detail but what would the 2 million dollar Wilson be worth in todays money? 5 million ? 6 ? More?
Purses may be high today but don't have the same value
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Do you know who you are talking to? Do you know what happens when you "assume" You know damn well Fuguzzi was a trainer. I owned back then and published research books on breeding sales records and earnings.
Won't go into too much detail but what would the 2 million dollar Wilson be worth in todays money? 5 million ? 6 ? More?
Purses may be high today but don't have the same value
no biggie, Thorn..In a way he was kinda right about me, my contact with 3 year olds, stakes horses and Grand Circuit material was when I was grooming. The number of 3 year olds I trained could for in an elevator. I know next to nothing about breeding,
If a horse could go forward in an overnight race I don't care if he was by Threen Pound Finger out of Can't Pace Hanover -- LOLOL
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Meadow Ford and Jidge were definitely horseman too. Meadow Ford drove too, not me
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His comments were to no one in particular anyway, but you are right he should know there are some horseman on here and prolly plenty more read it and don't comment. plenty of experienced owners and observers too. I have actually learned a lot from being on here
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no harm intended fellas, you cant go back though
so i deal with the current and future situation and i do fine
plenty of money for everyone right now
thanks
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no harm intended fellas, you cant go back though
so i deal with the current and future situation and i do fine
plenty of money for everyone right now
thanks
All good - you and I are often on the same page