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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Frank Deglomine on April 01, 2023, 11:05:29 AM
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Word in the paddock last night is that Tyler George is gone, Erv will have to stable at the track if he wants to race here and nance and Rucker started off the meet stiffing and gambling like always. Tyler’s horses cabt be stopped so we’ll see if he agrees to stable at the track or leave for other tracks. Erv is under suspension in New Jersey and Rick Moore is watching it and going to make him stable on the grounds. Nance purposely stiffed that 3/5 shot horse last night by putting some kind of bit in his mouth to make the horse break stride. Ruck stole little rocket man from essig by telling the owners she was starving and abusing the horse and he had boliga juicing at the farm so he’s next behind these guys. And Andy Shetler needs to never be allowed at hoosier again for what he did last year. These guys are not good for Indiana harness racing and thankfully Rick Moore is watching everything. Rick is a wonderful guy who knows his shit and I for one know that he will continue to keep hoosier the best track around and he doesn’t take shit from nobody. Wish everyone was like the Hochstetler family but of course that will never happen. 70 years in the harness game and not a single drug violation. Just watch our horses this summer. Thank you Mr. Moore for trying to keep hoosier racing clean. Keep up the good work.
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I guess we’ll see how much of this is true and how much is bullshit in the coming weeks. I presume it’s moreso the latter.
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the fact you added the name nance shows its all made up...
nance is a like an ant in the middle of the forest..
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1. It's not Rick Moore that decides what any trainer has to do its Joe Morris the head of Ceasars entertainment.
2. Tyler did agree to stable on the track as of March 21until June 3 and maintain a .400 UTRS. His horses can not leave without being followed by the commission or hoosier park security to whereverthey go if they do leave. So your way late on that he already has been on the grounds for two weeks and has been racing out of detention. Look at the program.
3.No Nance horse should ever be bet down to 3/5 he jogs 1 mph and wears the same clothes everyday.
4. Ruck got little rocket man because Joe essig threw himself to the owner when he claimed rockin speed so he gave him little rocket man also. Baliga doesn't prerace that horse im not even sure he is allowed at pacesetter farm where the horse is. Little rocket man can beat that field on memory he doesn't need anything but feed and jogged.
4. They will never do anything Erv so give it up.
5.Frank D your a idiot stop running your mouth about 4 things you don't know anything facts about. Fact!Legit!
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Jesus Christ, not this fucking hillbilly again.
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Frank is picking up where he left off last season. Huge issue with Erv and says his buddy Jay is clean and the best trainer ever.
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trace should be tossed also
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Jesus Christ, not this fucking hillbilly again.
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Most of what frank just said is true. Erv Miller had at hot test at M1 and is under 15 day suspension. And joe Morris is deeply influenced by whatever Rick Moore tells him. That is fact brother so yes Rick Moore can definitely be a difference maker. Also Rucker lucked into getting little rocket man but Essig is no dummy. And yes baligia is still alive and well and pre racing certain people’s horses. FACT. Nance’s horse last year got good and the one he claimed last week is a fucking rat plain and simple. And Tyler George will be stabled at the track starting next week. These are all FACTS. So the guy that started the thread is an idiot, but what he said are Facts. The only thing I disagree with him on is hochstetler being pieces of shit too. Those Amish fuvkers hace been cheating for years going back to Ackerman.
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Tyler stabled at the track 2 WEEKS AGO.
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They just cleaned out barn 25 for him to bring ALL of his horses to the track. He didn’t have ALL of his horses at the track. Now starting next week he will. Fact!!!!
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And Erv is serving 15 days right now and Joe Morris and Rick Moore are very well aware of it. I’m not saying he is going to have to stable at the track but it wouldn’t surprise me. Erv is definitely juicing along with the rest of the cheaters.
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3.No Nance horse should ever be bet down to 3/5 he jogs 1 mph and wears the same clothes everyday.
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They just cleaned out barn 25 for him to bring ALL of his horses to the track. He didn’t have ALL of his horses at the track. Now starting next week he will. Fact!!!!
Wrong. The only horses required to be at hoosier are the horses racing at hoosier. It's barn 8. Where the fuck is barn 25??? Australia??
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The first track that realizes integrity would go a long way, will be the track that players flock to.
Aside from those involved, the average gambler doesn't care about 1:50 speed as much as they care about getting a fair shake.
A track that "auditioned" new people in the sport as part of a reality type series would see a huge increase in interest.
People drive narratives and interest. There isn't much interesting about 99% of those currently involve. Aside from their arrest records I guess.
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Wrong. The only horses required to be at hoosier are the horses racing at hoosier. It's barn 8. Where the fuck is barn 25??? Australia??
It is barn 8 and any horse that Tyler races at hoosier must be at barn 8 or they will not accept his entry. He is free to race at other tracks but once he does so, that horse will not be allowed back at hoosier. Mr. Rick Moore certainly is involved in the decision making process and has been for years. Mr. Moore knows who the cheaters are and jay isn't one of them! As I told you guys before, if my horse doesn’t win I hope Lucparks horse does. I have nothing against him. It’s just that everyone knows that Erv is a juicer as evidence by his current situation in jersey. You cannot win at that type of percentage like Tyler and Erv did here last year without cheating. It’s just not possible. If you guys remember right Erv had to cool it on the night of champions and did not win a single stakes race after September 1 when they really started watching him.
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I guess we’ll see how much of this is true and how much is bullshit in the coming weeks. I presume it’s moreso the latter.
Erv is stabled at indiana fairgrounds.
With 90 or so Indy breds coming out soon
Some horses have just arrived from Florida
More coming in few weeks following that 45 two yr old Indy’s breds comin first week of may
Those will also be stabled at Indiana fairgrounds
I just got back from Florida. Erv has a lot on nice trotters both two and three yr olds and some very nice two yr old pacers along with the three yards olds that did. Well as two yr olds last yr
Erv almost hit 3 million in purses last yr that’s never been done before EVVER
HE MITE HIT 4 million this yr in purses just at Hoosierpark
Great trainer gets great results.
Owners love him trust him Results show
Don’t know what Frankie is talking about
But those are facts on ervs horses
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Wrong. The only horses required to be at hoosier are the horses racing at hoosier. It's barn 8. Where the fuck is barn 25??? Australia??
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It is barn 8 and any horse that Tyler races at hoosier must be at barn 8 or they will not accept his entry. He is free to race at other tracks but once he does so, that horse will not be allowed back at hoosier. Mr. Rick Moore certainly is involved in the decision making process and has been for years. Mr. Moore knows who the cheaters are and jay isn't one of them! As I told you guys before, if my horse doesn’t win I hope Lucparks horse does. I have nothing against him. It’s just that everyone knows that Erv is a juicer as evidence by his current situation in jersey. You cannot win at that type of percentage like Tyler and Erv did here last year without cheating. It’s just not possible. If you guys remember right Erv had to cool it on the night of champions and did not win a single stakes race after September 1 when they really started watching him.
That would be the point behind saying only the horses racing at hoosoer have to stable at hoosier....
Can you show 1 positive ANYWHERE for Tyler? Just 1???
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Jesus Christ, not this fucking hillbilly again.
Oh my
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That would be the point behind saying only the horses racing at hoosoer have to stable at hoosier....
Can you show 1 positive ANYWHERE for Tyler? Just 1???
I agree with you that Tyler has never had any positive test anywhere. They are messing with him so Erv can win the training title. No shot Erv is a better trainer but he will win by default and by the numbers of horses. When you have 200-250 horses you are bound to win 100 races. I hope Tyler George sues Hoosier and takes them to court. It’s clear discrimination to do that to the guy who has never had one positive. Total bullshit.
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Erv hasn't won the last 25 years has he? The Golden Child is cullipher. Tyler crushed the record last year with 30 horses. Difference is erv races 100 only high class horses and 10 of them are good. Tyler races 30 spread across the board
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Can we recap purse money earnings cheap wins in bullshit 10 claiming races don’t count
money made last yr at Hoosierpark is a whst owners look at
Can’t spend wins but u spend money earned
Erv dominated
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Can we recap purse money earnings cheap wins in bullshit 10 claiming races don’t count
money made last yr at Hoosierpark is a whst owners look at
Can’t spend wins but u spend money earned
Erv dominated
I'd take 2nd any day if it pays more than 1st in another class! I once asked a driver why a horse I hadn't didn't go faster after it won, he said don't worry about that, they don't put that on the check! ngc3 It's all about the money!
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Can we recap purse money earnings cheap wins in bullshit 10 claiming races don’t count
money made last yr at Hoosierpark is a whst owners look at
Can’t spend wins but u spend money earned
Erv dominated
I didnt see erv in the winners circle in 3 of the super finals...
And breaking it down... 3 million for 250 horses.... not that great especially considering the initial investment to return
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I didnt see erv in the winners circle in 3 of the super finals...
And breaking it down... 3 million for 250 horses.... not that great especially considering the initial investment to return
U FUCKIN IDIOT
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HE DID ALMOST 7 MILLION TOTAL AND HE DONT HAVE 250 HORSES
HE DIDNT HAVE 250 INDY BREDS LAST YR JUST 46
AGAIN I WILL GO SLOW FOR THOSE LACKIN FCKIN COMPREHENSION SKILLS .
IN INDY ALONE WITH 48 INDYS BREDS LAST YR ALMOST 3 MILL WITH 200 LESS STARTS THAN ANY TRAINER IN TOP FIVE THERE
AND TYLER HAD TWICE AS MANY STARTS HE SHOULD HAVE WON THE TITLE ...
PLUS ERV RACES FROM MID MAY TILL OCTBER ,,,
JUST SIRES AND STAKES FOR THE MOST PART ..
NOW BREATH ,,
READ SLOWLY DRINK A CUP OF TEPID WATER AND COMPREND WHAT I JUST POSTED ngc3
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U FUCKIN IDIOT
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HE DID ALMOST 7 MILLION TOTAL AND HE DONT HAVE 250 HORSES
HE DIDNT HAVE 250 INDY BREDS LAST YR JUST 46
AGAIN I WILL GO SLOW FOR THOSE LACKIN FCKIN COMPREHENSION SKILLS .
IN INDY ALONE WITH 48 INDYS BREDS LAST YR ALMOST 3 MILL WITH 200 LESS STARTS THAN ANY TRAINER IN TOP FIVE THERE
AND TYLER HAD TWICE AS MANY STARTS HE SHOULD HAVE WON THE TITLE ...
PLUS ERV RACES FROM MID MAY TILL OCTBER ,,,
JUST SIRES AND STAKES FOR THE MOST PART ..
NOW BREATH ,,
READ SLOWLY DRINK A CUP OF TEPID WATER AND COMPREND WHAT I JUST POSTED ngc3
Come on Luc, look st what you guys paid for those Indy bred horses who were royally bred. If you wanna talk about strictly money then you talk Ronnie Burke. Erv will never top Ronnie Burke in money won. Also look at Tyler taking cheap claimers and turning them around into winners. Pound for pound, Tyler George is the better trainer. Erv isn’t a bad trainer, just chokes when the big stake money is on the line. Tyler took rollin Rosie and turned her into Indy bred 2 year old filly of the year. If you wNt to win, Tyler George is your man and if you want the money, then Ronnie Burke is your man. It’s simple math.
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i think evr is no good for the sport
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HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH ROSIE
I WAS FIRST TO SAY THAT..
AND NOBODY IS CO MPARING HIM TO RONNIE
HE FINISHED 4TH IN TOTAL PURSES LAST YRIN COUNTRY AND USAULLY FINISHES ALLWAYS IN TOP 8
LAST HE WAS BEHIND ,,RON.. ANTHONY AND AKE,,THATS NOT BAD COMPANY .
ALL IM SAYING.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS THIS YR AT HOOSIER
IMHO ERV IS ONE OF THE BEST HORSEMEN AND TARINER ITS JUST MY OPINION..
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HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH ROSIE
I WAS FIRST TO SAY THAT..
AND NOBODY IS CO MPARING HIM TO RONNIE
HE FINISHED 4TH IN TOTAL PURSES LAST YRIN COUNTRY AND USAULLY FINISHES ALLWAYS IN TOP 8
LAST HE WAS BEHIND ,,RON.. ANTHONY AND AKE,,THATS NOT BAD COMPANY .
ALL IM SAYING.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS THIS YR AT HOOSIER
IMHO ERV IS ONE OF THE BEST HORSEMEN AND TARINER ITS JUST MY OPINION..
He has to win trainers title by numbers alone. Has to. Nobody has that many horses or spent the money that Erv spent. Come on Luc. You know Ronnie is the money man and nobody is better at Hoosier than Tyler as far as winning with garbage horses. Erv wouldn’t accept some of Tyler’s horses they are such nickel bred rats yet Tyler can no only make them go, but make winners out of them. Erv is good but he has to be by th3 amount of $$$$ you guys spend.
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ERV RACES FROM MID MAY TILL OCTBER ,,,
Erv should give his horses calendars.
They stop running in August.
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Erv should give his horses calendars.
They stop running in August.
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He will win trainers title just because of the amount of horses he has UNLESS he brings Marcus in to drive. I don’t care how good the horses are that Marcus will fuck up a one car funeral. HORRIBLE. But if he doesn’t have to stable at the track or use Marcus, he will win training title this year just because he bought and paid for it.
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Erv hasn't won the last 25 years has he? The Golden Child is cullipher. Tyler crushed the record last year with 30 horses. Difference is erv races 100 only high class horses and 10 of them are good. Tyler races 30 spread across the board
Culliper? Are you on another planet? This guy is nothing but a dumb hillbilly from Ky who can’t spell horse. He burns Pollacks money faster than he can print it. $1500 in vet work on Gray Dragon and Stormont Ventnor and they race like that? Hollendonner and him got a nice little scam going. And forget about the Gateway operation. He’s 8 for100 at the Big M with that stock he’s got? He should go back to Audubon raceway.
Culliper? You’re nuts he’s got the biggest scam going with his Mexican assembly line workers. He should stay home and let Brooke and Tim take over.
And by the way, Nance pissed all over Ervs sale topper filly’s he raced in illinois with that filly Nance got late in the year and developed her into filly of the year in Illinois and got the money and left Erv scratching his head.
And Scott Tyler George? Come on, another dumb hick from Ohio that somehow got Trace to take everyone of his underclassified horses and that are 2 seconds the best going in? What happened to I’ma real lady’s man? And VH princess bread? Jenny Redmond laughed at him. The only way he bats.400 on the grounds if if he keeps racing 80K claimers like Ike’s Panther in NW of 4k???
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Hitchcock horse draws off from two George horses in feature, 49 and 2. Superior horse?
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Hitchcock horse draws off from two George horses in feature, 49 and 2. Superior horse?
Absolutely. That horse is a beast right now.
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Culliper? Are you on another planet? This guy is nothing but a dumb hillbilly from Ky who can’t spell horse. He burns Pollacks money faster than he can print it. $1500 in vet work on Gray Dragon and Stormont Ventnor and they race like that? Hollendonner and him got a nice little scam going. And forget about the Gateway operation. He’s 8 for100 at the Big M with that stock he’s got? He should go back to Audubon raceway.
Culliper? You’re nuts he’s got the biggest scam going with his Mexican assembly line workers. He should stay home and let Brooke and Tim take over.
And by the way, Nance pissed all over Ervs sale topper filly’s he raced in illinois with that filly Nance got late in the year and developed her into filly of the year in Illinois and got the money and left Erv scratching his head.
And Scott Tyler George? Come on, another dumb hick from Ohio that somehow got Trace to take everyone of his underclassified horses and that are 2 seconds the best going in? What happened to I’ma real lady’s man? And VH princess bread? Jenny Redmond laughed at him. The only way he bats.400 on the grounds if if he keeps racing 80K claimers like Ike’s Panther in NW of 4k???
I didnt say cullipher was good.... I said he was mngmts golden child. And tyler batted over 400 on the grounds last year.... broke win record.
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Like I said, when you got the leading driver that lays over the rest by 3 lengths and you race 2 classes under where your horses belong and other horseman let you do it you would bat .400 to. He wins a lot of races and is a dedicated trainer but has a lot of horses up the track too. More than people take notice.
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Let’s hope everyone has a good yr this yr
Competition brings out talent
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Let’s hope everyone has a good yr this yr
Competition brings out talent
You will bat 500 this year Luc. Overhiser and You spent more money then even Burke at some of those sales. I am willing to bet anyone that Erv is leasing trainer this year at Indy of he races the 200 horses that Luc says at Hoosier. He has to win by numbers alone. Has to
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Culliper? Are you on another planet? This guy is nothing but a dumb hillbilly from Ky who can’t spell horse. He burns Pollacks money faster than he can print it. $1500 in vet work on Gray Dragon and Stormont Ventnor and they race like that? Hollendonner and him got a nice little scam going. And forget about the Gateway operation. He’s 8 for100 at the Big M with that stock he’s got? He should go back to Audubon raceway.
Culliper? You’re nuts he’s got the biggest scam going with his Mexican assembly line workers. He should stay home and let Brooke and Tim take over.
And by the way, Nance pissed all over Ervs sale topper filly’s he raced in illinois with that filly Nance got late in the year and developed her into filly of the year in Illinois and got the money and left Erv scratching his head.
And Scott Tyler George? Come on, another dumb hick from Ohio that somehow got Trace to take everyone of his underclassified horses and that are 2 seconds the best going in? What happened to I’ma real lady’s man? And VH princess bread? Jenny Redmond laughed at him. The only way he bats.400 on the grounds if if he keeps racing 80K claimers like Ike’s Panther in NW of 4k???
tmbz1 you sir know your shit at Illinois and Indy racing. Erv was scratching his ass when that nance filly dominated his triple entry at Hawthorne last year. Then on night of champions again Erv was nowhere around. The problem was slick Erv knew they were watching him so he had to tank or else he would of bet sitting on the sideline for awhile. The one thing I disagree with you about is Tyler under classifying horses. Erv is the master of that. He has 75K yearlings racing in nw/1 to be claimed for 10k at Hoosier. Ain’t no way those little $3k yearlings can beat those horses. I just hope since they made Tyler come to the track that they made Erv do the same. Word is that Burke isn’t racing a lot at Hoosier this year. Fair is fair. Make Erv do the same as Tyler.
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You guys are wrong. Erv is a very good trainer no doubt about that but so is the Hochstetler family. Homer was training babies when Erv was in diapers. Lots of experience on Hochstetlers side here. But Rocco and Erv’s owners bought the best yearlings money could but last fall. They have great babies. I know he pre races but not sure how much on the 2 year olds. I don’t think it would matter is they made Erv stable at the track. He just has multiple horses in every class. Too much horse power.
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I thought Nance lives in Lost Wages. Is he now in Illinois or Indiana taking up residence ? He has 3 children he has to watch over.
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I guess Erv, Pollack and Burke will have the only horses running in the ISS stakes this year! Since they spent the most $$$$ and have all the horses!! Goodness, God forbid some nobody no-name trainer comes up with a decent horse in ISS races, They will certainly get bought out by one of the big 3!! As for Tyler, I am not sure how many babies he has to compete in ISS races. We bought 1, and he bought a couple at the Classic sale last year. But how can you compete against the ERV JUGGERNAUT, whose owners spent close to $1 million at that sale?? Sheer waves of numbers!!!!!
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I just went through the 2022 Hoosier classic sales results, The ERV team spent by far the most $$$$ Overheiser-585K, Rocco--465K, Erv--150K!!! Pollack about 400K, Homer over 250K, Tyler George 95.5K, Burke didn't plunge that much--however, if he sees a good one in an early ISS leg, I am sure he'll try and buy it!! Judging by those numbers, ERV is the odds on favorite to lead the $$$$$ list for ISS babies!!
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I just went through the 2022 Hoosier classic sales results, The ERV team spent by far the most $$$$ Overheiser-585K, Rocco--465K, Erv--150K!!! Pollack about 400K, Homer over 250K, Tyler George 95.5K, Burke didn't plunge that much--however, if he sees a good one in an early ISS leg, I am sure he'll try and buy it!! Judging by those numbers, ERV is the odds on favorite to lead the $$$$$ list for ISS babies!!
money spent means nothin
money spent usually based on confirmation and videos and blood lines
nobody sees whats in a horses heart
MONEY SPENT MEANS NOTHIN..
LUCK MEANS EVERYTHING,,
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That's a lotta Pizzas , Rocco. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Absolutely spot on Rocco, as I said in an earlier post, Soaring Now was a 6K baby, made close to 500K in 2 years, paced in 48.3, was sold for over 200K!!! Racing tonight at Yonkers as a 4YO, in the Borgatta Series!! GO FIGURE!!! And he's competitive!!
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And 250k was a steal for him. Going east to a real trainer away from Stuzman and real drivers up instead of the
Putman kid? He will go 145:0 this year.
Everyone knew he was the fastest colt last spring. He jerked that colt of Hocheyjays sideways with Amish Andy Shetler driving him. Problem was he blew out an ankle and it was Ugly looking but it was in a spot that didn’t affect him at all.
That’s why he went so cheap at the sale.
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Just a Freaky Good horse. Was he that nickel-type bred he went so cheap at the sale?? I know he had a good sire, but on the mare side???
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And 250k was a steal for him. Going east to a real trainer away from Stuzman and real drivers up instead of the
Putman kid? He will go 145:0 this year.
Everyone knew he was the fastest colt last spring. He jerked that colt of Hocheyjays sideways with Amish Andy Shetler driving him. Problem was he blew out an ankle and it was Ugly looking but it was in a spot that didn’t affect him at all.
That’s why he went so cheap at the sale.
DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
PONDA WARRIOR IS A NICE HORSE
WE HAVE HIS HALF BROTHER THIS YR,,
WARRIOR WILL BE COMPETITIVE IN THE GRADUATE SERIES ALL SUMMER
HES PRETTY NICE COLT
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DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
PONDA WARRIOR IS A NICE HORSE
WE HAVE HIS HALF BROTHER THIS YR,,
WARRIOR WILL BE COMPETITIVE IN THE GRADUATE SERIES ALL SUMMER
HES PRETTY NICE COLT
Who said he wasn’t a nice colt? I said Soaring now jerked his bridle early after hocheyjay turned down 330k from Pete Wrenn. Soaring Now was the faster colt. But his ankle was deformed and he went cheap so no one payed attention til he started pacing 25 sec 1/4s.
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money spent means nothin
money spent usually based on confirmation and videos and blood lines
nobody sees whats in a horses heart
MONEY SPENT MEANS NOTHIN..
LUCK MEANS EVERYTHING,,
Not true my man. He has numbers and at Hoosier if you have 3 horses out of ten, you’re going to win more times than you lose. You even said he has like 200-250 horses he just shipped to Indy fairgrounds. I agree with polish sausage jola you can only hope to be second or third. Erv will win everything this year at Hoosier unless rick Moore gets in touch with joe Morris and tells him to make Erv stable at the track. Then things would change.
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Horse racing God's aren't kind one good year means little in this industry. Erv has given plenty of interviews with HRU over the recent years expressing disappointment with yearend numbers. Only thing a great year does is have owners spend more to offset taxes to the government. Once the stock piles of horse bills double or triple it just takes two bad years in a row to ruin everything. No matter who the owner no matter who the trainer. One reason owners now spread so much taking just 25-30% as they get in on more yearlings. Erv and his owners at Lexington alone spent 2.5M on 21 horses. The Burkes, Alanga, Takters, and other European trainers can spend as much or more...they turn out stallions that lead to syndication. Trying to think Erv had MOMM and Swan For All and that's going back a decade. Spending 4mln at the sales might be the cheapest checks written over the next 9 months as it's nothing but shipping, stall rent, vets, stake payments, and the creative accounting of those monthly bills and padded charges on them.
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YOUR OUT OF THE GAME FOR 3 YRS NOW AND YET STILL
AND WORRY WAY TO MUCH ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SPEND AND THEIR BILLS IN ERV BARN ,
U LEFT DIS ENCHANNTED WITH THE HARNESS THATS FINE ,,YOU DONT HAVE OR DONT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY thats fine also
OBVIOUSLY IF OWNERS CAN SPEND THE MONEY THEY HAVE ENUFF TO COVER ANY KINDA OF BILLS THAT ACRUE MONTHLY. WE DONT NEED YOUR BREAK DOWN MATH
.OBVIOUSLY IF OWNERS KEEP SPENDING THEY ARE HAPPY WITH TEAM ERV MILLER ..
I THINK YOUR DISLIKE FOR ERV CONTINUES..
AND BEFORE U GO THERE I OWN AT LEAST 50 PERCENT ON EVERYTHING I SIGNED FOR LAST YR ,,EXPECT FOR PLAY ACTION PASS ,,33 PERCENT ..
PS,,I HAVE 3 HORSES ALSO WITH JAMIE THIS YR BESIDES THE 12 WITH ERV ,,BEFORE U GO THERE ALSO ..
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Actually sold a baby last year and last one to sell this year.
However that isn't the point and don't let your ego get ahead of itself or six selves. Let me see this is a open forum? This is a place for conversation and opinions? This isn't a site run and one person dictatorship that all people can come on interject even simple math. Facts are facts whether one likes to hear them or not. Count money hmm...don't give a shit. You were the one always touting the millions you lost in racing I just listen. How one spends a inheritance isn't my business but Roger, Jamie, and Erv are happy to take it.
Like I was saying simple math if 1 owner buys or has 100 babies and spent 4M. If an average 10 month training bill with all the bells and whistles is 5k a month. Sure Oct-Jan will be cheaper, Feb-May(staking) will be higher, and June-Oct(racing) will be even higher. Is 5M. Who knows that average can be higher. Those NW 3 monthly bills are 5-6,500 a stake horse is higher. 2 months of turnout is pocket change adding another 70k.
Before you go there this is for any stable with large numbers whether it is Burke, Alanga, The Stable, any of the Miller's, adding the pie to 1 that trainer better turn out stallions to keep the money flowing because a 6mln year of winning purses doesn't fit the 9-10mln spent on 100 babies. Ake had a 1/3rd less starts than Erv and pulled 1.2m more. One other math Stat the 6.4m earnings last year to owners is 5.8m since it's only 90% of the take.
It's just conversation so don't go there all butt hurt and all.
PS I don't dislike Erv especially as much as you did for those years after you left Team Erv for the cheaper Macomber bills and the Burke juice you thought you were going to get.