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Harness Racing / Forever Boy
« Last post by jupiter on Today at 09:07:41 AM »
New trainer, Beckwith, sorry TT, he's going he's gonna light him up. 1 win already.Hopefully they have learned and won't gut him in races he doesn't  belong.
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by jupiter on Today at 09:03:45 AM »
Eddie Z you're still a moron, will never change, scum.
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I don't care where the money comes from
as long as racing can continue racing it is not coming out of your pocket because your one broke useless cock sucker.
Exactly what everyone on welfare says. They don't care where the money they take comes from. It comes from others supporting your loser fucking asses. Congrats. You must be proud.  ngc3
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I don't care where the money comes from
as long as racing can continue racing it is not coming out of your pocket because your one broke useless cock sucker.
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 Definition of Welfare:
 Sitting, rotting in a single room accomodation by yourself.
 No money besides the bread crumbs assistance gives you.
 Calling people out, all while being 1000x worse off than any of those being called out.
 No one takes you serious or wants anything to do with you, a blight on mankind.

You are referring to the ones I call out who live off the government supported industry. I agree. I am what they would be if not for the welfare they race for. I totally agree. In the business world anyone successful would use harness racing as the example of utter failure and what not to do. Veterans living on the street while horse killing drug users have a multi million dollar EBT card.  Such success stories. ngc3
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by dinkadoo on Today at 08:11:44 AM »
This whole is playing out how Churchill Downs excluded Bob Baffert for the last couple of years including the Kentucky Derby.. Which this last Derby, Baffert would have had the probably favorite Muth....   They could have switched trainers but the owners decided to stick by Baffert... Opted to run in the Preakness, but then spiked a fever and was scratched.
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Harness Racing / Re: Ruthless Hanover
« Last post by SeattleSlew on Today at 04:07:33 AM »
Ruthless  wins Auger in 147.2 holding off late charging Ken Hanover. 26 second third quarter was amazing. Desperate Man parked much of the mile finished 4th. Bythemissal was a tour around the oval 5th

Bythemissal was a disgrace! (did not bet, so not a "sour grapes" comment, just an observation.)

Twin B was awesome; just flew home in 53.2 like she was dancing. 
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by COUNSELOR on Today at 02:07:59 AM »
THE INDUSTRY NEEDS AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY NON-INFLUENCED MANAGEMENT GROUP TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE INDUSTRY.   THE POLITICS INVOLVED IN THIS SPORT IS HORRENDOUS AND IT HAS RUINED EVERTHING FOR THOSE WHO EVEN DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY.   THE TRUTH, THE INDUSTRY FROM THE USTA TO THE COMMISSIONS TO THE TRACKS AND OWNERS OF TRACKS NEED THE OUTSIDE 3RD PART CZAR TO RUN THIS BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY AND TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES PROPERLY AND FAIRLY TO BENEFIT EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY----RICH OR POOR---TRAINER OR DRIVER OR GROOM OR BREEDER  OR TRACK OFFICIAL, ETC.   

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPORT THAT IS DONE FOR EVERYONE.  MY GOD,  I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.  THE INDUSTRY HAS LOST SO MANY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT COMPETE HONESTLY.  THEY CANNOT BUY THE PROPER FOOD, EQUIPMENT, EMPLOYEES, ETC.   

THIS IS TH PLAYGROUND OF THE RICH AND THE INDUSTRY CANNOT AND WILL NOT SURVIVE AS IT IS TODAY!!!!   TERRIBLE AS THE IDUSTRY COULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR SO MANY IF ONLY RUN FAIRLY AND TO BENEFIT ALL EQUALLY   
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Maybe if you thought about it you’d realize a lot of the guys at Vernon are bringing young ones along and actually teaching them to race instead of just going balls to the wall every time they place foot on the track.
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on May 27, 2024, 08:58:44 PM »
Precursor, like many people in the industry, I know Gural. Long before he took over the Meadowlands. We are not friends. We've both been in the game a long time, I've seen him at numerous tracks, the sales, Harrisburg, Lexington, and so on. I had breakfast with him once and dinner once, and both were circumstantial, not planned. That's it. We are not friends. So, my take, Gural has done more than anyone else to clean up the sport and the industry. Period. If you don't believe that, please, if for whatever reason I forget, please remind me not to respond to you. Thanks.  Gural has done a great deal and has given tremendous service to this sport and industry. Right up front, I don't give a damn about his motives, he wants a casino, all the other defections and aspersions, ad BS. He has personally contributed to major, industry-wide investigations, cases, indictments, and so on.

However, and I have said this from day one, moment one.....I do not agree with his lack of a universal standard for barring people. Consistency is certainly not a word that would be used to describe his actions. Lack of, yes. I view this as a major fault. I have seen him at the track, at several events, etc. However, none have been the proper or appropriate forum to question him on this. I have emailed him on this specific subject, not with a calling him out approach, but I did make my points very clear and explicitly asked the question. I received a lengthy, detailed reply. He provided a great deal of information. He brought up some valid points. He went into some specifics. However, none of which resolved what I proposed was a problem. That's OK. I saw Gural at a sale about a month later and he approached me, was pleasant, polite, and treated me the same way he always has going back to when I first met him around 35 years ago.

So while I don't like what may appear to be a pick and choose on who can play and who can't, that doesn't negate everything else that's taken place. It's not perfect. It's not yet ideal. Even ideal is not consistent. People can say this started out, or perhaps became personal. Of course. These two guys were taking jabs at each other back in 2017 on some issues. But the issue, is still the issue. Track ownership may want one thing. The race office may want something else. Throw out a cheating trainer and in no time you will have 3 to 5 more replace him, and you'll have horses from 3 to 5 barns, not one. Everyone said the industry would not survive Brooks being thrown out if his brother wasn't allowed to buy the horses and continue the operation. Brooks had far more horses than Taylor. Simply put.....no one person or operation is bigger than the sport or industry. If one gets to be.....then you have a far bigger problem than the one.
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