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Harness Racing / Re: No MAS IZZY
« Last post by rainman2 on Today at 12:32:02 AM »


  I hear that Izzy made the list.
  That being the excluded list and his entries will no longer be accepted
  at M1. That is what he gets for sticking it up the ass. Dropping close to
  3 seconds on first timers.

the return of eric/seldon ledford in a different decade?
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Harness Racing / No MAS IZZY
« Last post by freshlasix on Today at 12:29:36 AM »
 

  I hear that Izzy made the list.
  That being the excluded list and his entries will no longer be accepted
  at M1. That is what he gets for sticking it up the ass. Dropping close to
  3 seconds on first timers.
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You don't need a USTA license to get a state license.  I know this from personal experience.
This is true but if you don’t have a Usta license or are denied the state CAN and WILL use that as a reason for denying you. Ask Dee Cozzi.
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Ribs were showing on half of the Preakness runners
Look at her feet. Hasn’t been shod for months. Chicago guys are busted. No money to pay anyone. Langley dead so Eaton can’t sponge off him or stiff Jim jesk out of money. Poor old man had Alzheimer’s and when he came around to collect stall rent Eaton would tell him that he paid him already do the old man thought he did. Eaton stiff poor Jim jesk out of thousands
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Are people shoving needles and tubes into those dancers then having the public bet on them? I don't remember reading that the federal government indicted anyone on Broadway for selling non detectable drugs used on actors that caused their hearts to fail.

No (nor does everyone do it) .  If you think horse racing should be banned for all it's misgivings, so be it.  Breeding a mare over and over is cruel to some but yet you still eat burgers i'm guessing. Are you vegetarian because honestly sentinel animals from a purely ethical standpoint shouldn't be eaten.  But yet we do. 

From a strictly welfare point harness racing is no different then many other industries and organizations.  You hate harness racing because you think it is cruel and for the reprehensible behavior that many exibit.  But you conflate that and call it welfare, it isn't.  It just might make it a poor choice for monies if that's what one believes.

You obviously care about the horses and that's appreciated and respected by me but I do take exception to you calling it welfare (for the tenth time).  Also your take on Yonkers and Faraldo much respected by me. I get it is hard to be sympathetic to the Faraldos bilking Yonkers and the SOA.  But that is corruption.  To punish the people who have nothing to do with him seems unfair. 

For me I do have ethical issues about the sport, but I guess I am too ingrained in it.  Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite. But i'm a hypocrite everytime I take a bite of chicken. 

PS many of those ballerinas and dancers have been sexually abused.  Many are aneorexic and have stunted puberty and don't menstruate.  Same as gymnasts.  And people yet go and pay to see them.
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So what???  Tell us something new.  Does everone cry when Amazon gets millions of dollars in tax brakes to build a warehouse and creates worse and lower paying job.  One thing good about harness racing the jobs are hands on.  Not only that they create far more revenue for the state in taxes and jobs created then Amazon and others per dollars.  Did you cry when harness racing gave the states 25 percent of millions in the golden age?  Obviously there is rampant cheating issue but welfare is for people not working, at last check my harness trainers are mostly the hardest working people I know.

Take away subsidies there would be no ballet, opera, many museums etc.  Maybe take away subsidies for stadiums etc, yet we only bitch about harness racing and constantly call it welfare. 

Also lots of that money that flows through is taxed, and there is something called income tax that most states have.  So the amount spent as a dollar amount costs the states far less. that is  basic economics.  And yes harness racing would be out of business without slot money but so would most dance and theater groups be too.

Are people shoving needles and tubes into those dancers then having the public bet on them? I don't remember reading that the federal government indicted anyone on Broadway for selling non detectable drugs used on actors that caused their hearts to fail.
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So what???  Tell us something new.  Does everone cry when Amazon gets millions of dollars in tax brakes to build a warehouse and creates worse and lower paying job.  One thing good about harness racing the jobs are hands on.  Not only that they create far more revenue for the state in taxes and jobs created then Amazon and others per dollars.  Did you cry when harness racing gave the states 25 percent of millions in the golden age?  Obviously there is rampant cheating issue but welfare is for people not working, at last check my harness trainers are mostly the hardest working people I know.

Take away subsidies there would be no ballet, opera, many museums etc.  Maybe take away subsidies for stadiums etc, yet we only bitch about harness racing and constantly call it welfare. 

Also lots of that money that flows through is taxed, and there is something called income tax that most states have.  So the amount spent as a dollar amount costs the states far less. that is  basic economics.  And yes harness racing would be out of business without slot money but so would most dance and theater groups be too. Heck farmers get subsidies not to grow food. In fact farmers get free water and it takes over 3 gallons to make one almond!  wouldn't it be better to divert that water to drought areas then sudsidize almonds??? People who get flood insurance get a subsidy through the government as it would cost far more to insure on the open market. 

Sorry i'm just sick of harness racing being pointed out all the time.  I get it, the public thinks what we do is cruel and useless, it is a easy target.  I think ballet is useless.

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Harness Racing / How is the handle so high?
« Last post by Any1Left on May 23, 2024, 10:57:36 PM »
Recently, I was thinking back about all of the big bettors I knew in the past. Of the roughly 60 players I could think of, half of them are dead, 20 of them ran out of money, and the last 10 bet less than a quarter of what they used to.
I also know for a fact that most tracks are empty, and no new people are entering the game. I remember way back, there were groups of kids that would show up everyday, that certainly doesn't happen anymore.
The track sure isn't doing shit to bring new people in either. Today Randy Waples went out to interview a guy and told him what a 'good drive' he had despite that fact that it was a horrendous drive on a 1/5 that couldn't lose. Does anyone in management see and hear what these morons like Elisa Blowe and Randy Waples do and say on a daily basis?
I feel like every race I watch is a qualifier, there's no actual racing. Like people should actually be ecstatic about races going single file without fail every race?
Everyone I know is getting annihilated nowadays, and nobody is betting on these horses that go 8/5 to 1/5.
The race track's got the Robin Hood mentality right now, steal from the poor and give to the rich.
With all this, how the hell does the handle keep going up, by all rights it should be at 0?
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Harness Racing / Re: Ayres Ratliff
« Last post by Oliver Clozoff on May 23, 2024, 10:53:53 PM »
That'll be one tough bid...grease up Ayers
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Harness Racing / Re: Yonkers purses going up 15% go figure!
« Last post by Oliver Clozoff on May 23, 2024, 10:51:56 PM »
Niggers love them slots
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