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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Jctoronto on January 17, 2019, 06:52:44 PM
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Investigation on the race in London Ontario Canada traces to Kentucky hub....hmmmm
7th race trot
Winner paid 46.10. . 22-1
Runner up 9-1
EXACTOR 43.00!!!!!!!!
If you were ever gonna leave that track behind, like so many of us in Toronto have...this would be the straw that broke the camel's back
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short
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open windows
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open windows
PROBABLY AT RED MILE WITH ADAM MULETRAINS TRAINER STEVE CARTERS MAIN OWNER CHUCK E GRUBBS. NOT THE FIRST TIME
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Pretty bad. I would have said 5 times what it paid was short. Even if a 1/5 horse (rather than 9-1) had been second would have been short Just can't play these small tracks. They are the worst for funky payoffs that smell!
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Hopefully they find that crooked cunt Shepherd was in on it too.
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Interesting homer report...story did say not first kentucky hub has been looked at for abnormally short price
You did name names. Open windows eh? Oldest bit in book.
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there lucky to even get $1500 in the exacta pool
Over 4000 this race
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7 horse field
3 faves 5th 6th and 7th
Yeah
4000 wagered ex
Just one 20 cent super winner
3900 payout approx
Approx $1 worth of tri winner
4000 payout approx
INVESTIGATION WOULD INCRIMINATE FAMILY FRIENDS AND OTHERS..NO NEED FOR THAT IN A GAME WHERE UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS IS DE RIGEUR
Stay away from that joint western fair..have said that for long time.
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sad
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Hopeful real investigation is starting post haste.
And if this turns out to be "a heavy long distance wager" from the Kentucky hub as noted and it was indeed 'windows open late', I guess no western fair horsemen would need to have a chat with authorities right?..you'd think so.
***i didnt even know you could have 'open windows late' wagering after bell on an out of town simulcast event..
However, should it have been a heavy irregular wager, incl.possibly on more than one exotic other than just the pounded exactor, made in advance of racetime via Kentucky hub, just asking, how many of 7 in-race connections on a cold quiet Wednesday night at Western Fair, Canada might have been 'in the know'...drivers? trainers?..more than one? two?.
or do you chalk it up to...just one of those things.
Hopefully its just easily catchable assholes, wherever they are, killing this already wounded game...Arrest them and we can all just limp along.
***Holy Freehold limousine driver Batman!!
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Hopefully they find that crooked cunt Shepherd was in on it too.
the trail will find it's way back to Newfoundland
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Shortest exacta pool for the night.
Shortest win pool for the night.
If everyone "knew", not many bet.
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$100 245 box at the 1/4 lol...i wonder if the past poster thinks they got robbed on the price?
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In addition..
Single 20cent super pd 4000 approx.
$1 worth of tri pd.whole pool 4000 approx.
..thats knowing something in 7 horse race too.
care to guess who might had their paws in there too?
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Don't think its past post betting. If you had the ability to leave betting open, why would you choose to do it with a small exactor pool, at a b track?
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by Garnet Barnsdale Jan 20
It didn’t take long for social media to light up following the 7th race at The Raceway at Western Fair Wednesday night (Jan. 16) when a $46 winner produced only a $43.60 exacta payoff when combined with the 9-1 fifth choice in the seven-horse race.
There were the predictable posts that suggested it was “barn money” or “inside information” that suppressed the payoff, and to their credit, The Raceway’s management got in front of the issue by contacting both the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) and the Canadian Pari-Mutuel Agency (CPMA) to investigate the wagering patterns for the race and the origin of the winning tickets.
Evidence showed that the bulk of the winning tickets were sold at a tote hub in Kentucky that has been the location of similar incidences in the past. Prior investigations showed no evidence of collusion or anyone driving in a questionable manner in that race, and The Raceway’s management indicated that they are continuing to look into this instance and supporting the regulators in investigating this situation to the fullest extent required.
So, what happened then? Looking at the exacta pool probables, adding in some information provided in tweets regarding the time the bets were placed and looking at the race replay, this is what I pieced together:
Based on a tweet by Twitter regular and Advance Deposit Wagering company Twinspires employee Ed Derosa, the big bet on the winning 4-2 combination — likely in the $150 to $200 range when the pool size of $4,007 and the 26 per cent takeout rate is considered — was made in the final eight seconds of the wagering period. There were similar bets made on all combinations involving the 2, 4 and 5 horses, who left first, second and third off the gate.
It makes sense to conclude then, that the Kentuckians making these bets are watching to see which horses are leaving the gate and hammering the combinations involving those three horses at the absolute last second before wagering gets cut off.
I watched the replay a few times to see if that theory had any merit and it certainly does depending on when betting gets cut off and raises some questions. In this particular race it is very obvious just before the start that the horses leaving from posts 1 and 3 have no interest in leaving, but the 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 horses are all relatively even. There would be no reason at that point to rush to hammer a 2-4-5 exacta box.
When the horses hit the wire for the first time, however, the 2, 4 and 5 are three-abreast and well clear of the rest of the field. So the $64,000 question here is what is the exact time that wagering is cut off at The Raceway? Because, if it’s when the first horse touches the wire, which would make sense because you would assume that is when the race starts getting timed, someone waiting until the last second can have an advantage on a ˝-mile track where speed typically rules and an edge could certainly be gained in this particular race. The flip side of that is, they don’t always finish the way they line up at the start, and in cases where the top three get split for the exacta, the other winning bettors likely get an overlaid exacta payoff. In this case, had the 7 horse Adventure Ahead got up for third, the lucky holder of a $1 exacta ticket would have scooped the entire pool for three grand. I imagine in that case, no one would even notice or mention the heavy betting on the losing combinations.
If this incident is still being investigated as was reported, what needs to happen is the discovery of how late these Kentucky bettors can punch tickets. If the current system allows for bets to be made until the first horse touches the wire after the gate leaves, that loop needs to be closed and betting cut off a few seconds earlier when all seven horses are still in a line so that all bettors get a fair shake no matter when they placed their bets.
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There were similar instances about 15 years ago, at Vernon Downs...........m ainly betting into the fairly large pools at Northfield. They worked from a room in the adjacent hotel..owned by the racetrack....and had as many as 3 private betting machines at their disposal......... with different scenarios already in the machines.....awai ting the word "to send" as the gate left. If I recall...what got them caught was that sometimes that had too many scenarios...and some were already "sent"................. ..requiring them to cancel some bets.....immediat ely after the gate sprung. There were some Vernon mutuel employees/Management who lobbied with Northfield , to give Vernon a few extra seconds to process "cancelled tickets". Northfield noticed the pattern.........a nd tightened up their rules...ending the cancelled ticket angle. The bell betting did continue.
Im sure there are plopsters who can put "names " into my story
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PROBABLY AT RED MILE WITH ADAM MULETRAINS TRAINER STEVE CARTERS MAIN OWNER CHUCK E GRUBBS. NOT THE FIRST TIME
NOTICE THAT I POSTED THIS WELL BEFORE BARNET GARNSDALE, WHO OBVIOUSLY READS AND STEALS HIS IDEAS FOR COLUMNS FROM HORSEPLOP.COM. AND I NAMED NAMES, HE COWARDLY DIDNT.
HOW NICE OF HRU TO PUBLISH A PLAGARIZED STORY
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a management thing maybe ?
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NOTICE THAT I POSTED THIS WELL BEFORE BARNET GARNSDALE, WHO OBVIOUSLY READS AND STEALS HIS IDEAS FOR COLUMNS FROM HORSEPLOP.COM. AND I NAMED NAMES, HE COWARDLY DIDNT.
HOW NICE OF HRU TO PUBLISH A PLAGARIZED STORY
Homer knows
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Mandatory for all wagering sites/tracks/hubs. This is a simple solution to preserve the integrity of wagering on a half mile tracks. This will eliminate the gate calling syndicates.
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The VILLAGE IDIOT
IS Back
Stop with these GREAT ideas and don't watch RACING
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The VILLAGE IDIOT
IS Back
Stop with these GREAT ideas and don't watch RACING
100% agree
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Homer knows
Homer nailed it
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The Raceway statement on investigation into low payout
February 4, 2019, by WFD Media
London, ON — An unusually low exactor payout in the seventh race on Jan. 16, 2019, at The Raceway at Western Fair District, prompted management to contact AGCO officials along with the local CPMA (the national regulator responsible for oversight of pari-mutuel wagering) rep in order to investigate the wagering patterns for that race and the origin of the winning tickets.
Our tote provider immediately provided us with wagering information which showed that the bulk of the winning tickets were sold at a tote hub in Kentucky.
The CPMA investigation into the race in question has concluded that the bets were placed in accordance with the regulations. The investigation found no evidence of any wrongdoing and found that all protocols were properly adhered to.
In response to this occurrence, The Raceway has instituted a new ‘stop betting’ protocol whereby wagering will be closed earlier to reduce the chances of a similar situation happening in the future.
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PROBABLY AT RED MILE WITH ADAM MULETRAINS TRAINER STEVE CARTERS MAIN OWNER CHUCK E GRUBBS. NOT THE FIRST TIME
HE NAILED IT