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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2026, 06:42:44 PM »
Was Apex 4-1 just before the start, or did some bettors cancel their bets on him after he broke, meaning doing so after the windows should have been closed?

Red Mile is famous for that. I wish poster Gurals Casino would come back to elaborate

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2026, 09:45:08 PM »
Big Ranger is a big phony. A horse that race against weak sauce in Ohio with owners who smdeserve everything coming to them


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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2026, 12:22:32 AM »
Big Ranger is a big phony. A horse that race against weak sauce in Ohio with owners who smdeserve everything coming to them
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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2026, 02:40:31 AM »
wow people are still crying about that trainer change?

It’s beyond time to move on

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2026, 10:38:23 AM »
Not crying

Just calling out the pompous arrogant owners who have a horse that won a bunch of weak Ohio Sire Stakes races and talking about stud career off of 1 win Hambo elim and now a total fold in the Futurity

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2026, 11:04:36 AM »
wow people are still crying about that trainer change?

It’s beyond time to move on

Pointing out how harness racing leadership and horsemen are their own worst enemy. This would have been a great human interest story to promote to the general public who know nothing and could care less about harness racing. It had all the components to be a great story. Roger Hammer took Vivid Photo from the Pennsylvania fairs to the Hambletonian winner. Ronnie Gillespie already had Big Ranger at that level. The general public loves stories like that.

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You are highlighting one of harness racing’s most beloved tropes—the small-circuit underdog rising to the sport's grandest stage—but the two stories actually stand in stark, heartbreaking contrast.
While [Roger Hammer](https://www.google.com/search?q=roger+hammer&kgmid=/g/11f0vd54dq) lived out the ultimate fairy tale with Vivid Photo, Ronnie Gillespie was cruelly denied his chance to see his dream through with Big Ranger.
## 🌟 The Fairytale: Roger Hammer & Vivid Photo
In 2005, Roger Hammer was widely known as the "King of the County Fairs", spending his days grinding out small-purse races on the Pennsylvania fair circuit. He developed a 3-year-old gelding named Vivid Photo, whom he co-owned, trained, and drove himself. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Even during the week of the [Hambletonian](https://www.google.com/search?q=Hambletonian+on+2005-08-06&kgmid=/m/01h0sf), Hammer missed the introductory press conference because he was busy racing at the Clearfield County Fair. Despite the massive step up in competition, Hammer kept himself in the sulky and drove [Vivid Photo](https://www.hambletonian.com/hambletonianhistory/2005) to an unforgettable 7-1 upset victory at the Meadowlands, creating one of the greatest and most popular "little guy" triumphs in harness racing history. [3, 4, 6, 7]
## 💔 The Heartbreak: Ronnie Gillespie & Big Ranger
Ronnie Gillespie appeared to be on the exact same trajectory twenty years later. Gillespie, a respected veteran who established himself on the Ohio circuit, developed a $25,000 yearling purchase named Big Ranger into a absolute superstar. Under Gillespie's guidance, the colt went an undefeated 7-for-7 as a two-year-old, winning the 2025 Ohio Triple Crown and being named Ohio Horse of the Year. [8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14]
Gillespie openly talked about his lifelong dream of driving his star horse in the [Hambletonian](https://www.google.com/search?q=hambletonian&kgmid=/m/01h0sf). However, the general public did not get the happy ending they hoped for. In May 2026, just as the colt was preparing for his sophomore Grand Circuit campaign, the ownership group, Madison Global, abruptly stripped Gillespie of the horse without detailed public explanation. [8, 15, 16, 17]
Big Ranger was transferred to a high-profile stable and entered the 2026 Hambletonian as the pre-race favorite with a different driver in the bike, while Gillespie was left to watch his masterpiece from afar. [8, 16]
The public certainly loves the "fair to the Hambo" story—but unfortunately, only Roger Hammer got to cross the finish line. [8, 18]

[1] [https://www.seattletimes.com](https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/harness-racing-vivid-photo-captures-hambletonian/)
[2] [https://www.facebook.com](https://www.facebook.com/HambletonianSociety/posts/hambletonian-80-2005-meadowlands-racetrack-roger-hammers-success-at-the-fairs-ea/1736981360511158/)
[3] [https://www.latimes.com](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-aug-07-sp-horsesep7-story.html)
[4] [https://www.nytimes.com](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/sports/othersports/at-hambletonian-driver-graduates-to-bigger-payday.html)
[5] [https://www.post-gazette.com](https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/other-sports/2005/08/07/the-hambletonian-photo-finish-wins-it/stories/200508070193)
[6] [https://www.drf.com](https://www.drf.com/news/hambletonian-one-little-guy)
[7] [https://www.facebook.com](https://www.facebook.com/HambletonianSociety/videos/from-the-pa-fairs-to-the-hambo-winners-circle-what-a-race-featuring-vivid-photos/1116157340489333/)
[8] [https://harnesslink.com](https://harnesslink.com/gillespie-watches-hambletonian-dream-unfold/)
[9] [https://www.facebook.com](https://www.facebook.com/OhioHarnessHorsemensAssociation/posts/driver-ronnie-gillespie-recorded-his-1000th-career-driving-win-when-he-steered-t/1313104544157543/)
[10] [https://www.ohha.com](https://www.ohha.com/news/madison-global-scores-big-with-big-ranger-2/)
[11] [https://standardbredcanada.ca](https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/7-22-25/gillespie-and-his-hopes-more-big-things.html)
[12] [https://www.drf.com](https://www.drf.com/news/miami-valley-big-ranger-aims-big-stage-2026)
[13] [https://ustrottingnews.com](https://ustrottingnews.com/big-ranger-named-2025-ohio-horse-of-the-year/)
[14] [https://www.ohha.com](https://www.ohha.com/news/big-ranger-captures-ohio-triple-crown-to-highlight-oss-scarlet-championships-for-trotters-at-dayton-raceway/)
[15] [https://pressprosmagazine.com](https://pressprosmagazine.com/2026/08/05/mccoy-gillespies-dream-turns-nightmare-overnight-loses-ride-in-hambletonian/)
[16] [https://harnessracingupdate.com](https://harnessracingupdate.com/2026/08/07/gillespies-big-dream-turns-into-huge-disappointment-as-hambletonian-favorite-big-ranger-taken-away/)
[17] [https://standardbredcanada.ca](https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/5-29-26/lorentzon-takes-over-training-big-ranger.html)
[18] [https://www.hambletonian.com](https://www.hambletonian.com/hambletonianhistory/2005)
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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2026, 01:48:37 PM »
You mean current racing fans and industry participants.  The general public doesn't know harness racing is alive.

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2026, 02:58:04 PM »
ess racing is alive.
You mean current racing fans and industry participants.  The general public general public "doesn't know harness racing is alive".

That is the point. This is the kind of story that could have reached beyond the miniscule fan base which is left.  If those same people that "doesn't know harness racing is alive" and demand the handouts end or reduced, the industry is going to need customers. Well over 85% of the purses in PA come from HANDOUTS not handle. It is probably a similar percentage in most other states.
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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2026, 03:34:23 PM »
handle schmandle
its not 2000
purses and opportunities at all time high

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2026, 03:58:03 PM »
handle schmandle
its not 2000
purses and opportunities at all time high

And how long do you expect the "general public doesn't know harness racing is alive" to continue to allow BILLIONS to go to harness racing?

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2026, 04:07:31 PM »
handle schmandle
its not 2000
purses and opportunities at all time high

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The economic consensus from public finance experts, independent state auditors, and economists indicates that redirecting horse racing subsidies toward public infrastructure, education, or tax reductions would likely generate a significantly higher broad-based economic benefit for society as a whole.
While the horse racing industry argues that public funds support vital agricultural jobs, land preservation, and rural economies, macroeconomists view this debate through the lens of opportunity cost—the lost benefit of not choosing the next best alternative. [1, 2]
The economic trade-offs can be analyzed by comparing the impact of horse racing subsidies against these alternative public investments:
## Direct Economic Multipliers
Economic "multipliers" calculate how much total economic activity is generated for every dollar spent by the government.

| Investment Type | Economic Multiplier & Footprint | Primary Societal Benefit |
|---|---|---|
| Infrastructure (Roads & Bridges) | High (typically 1.5x to 2.0x). Directly reduces logistics costs for all businesses and improves regional commerce efficiency. | Permanent assets that serve the entire public and boost long-term productivity. |
| Education (Schools & Pre-K) | Very High (Long-term). Boosts future worker productivity, raises future tax revenues, and lowers public assistance costs. | Upgrades human capital; addresses skilled labor shortages across all industries. |
| Tax Reductions | Moderate to High. Puts cash back into the private sector, increasing consumer spending or private corporate investment. | Increases general economic liquidity and household purchasing power. |
| Horse Racing Subsidies | Low (Highly Concentrated). Money primarily inflates purses and breeder incentives. High leakage occurs as prize money often leaves the state. | Supports a niche sector, agricultural suppliers, and specialized equine employment. |

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## The Economic Rationale for Redirecting Funds

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* Public vs. Private Goods: Roads, bridges, and public schools are classic public goods that suffer from the "free-rider problem" if left to the private market. Because they benefit everyone but are unprofitable for a single person to build, public dollars spent here fix a market failure. Horse racing, conversely, is a private entertainment and gambling industry. Critics argue that subsidizing a private sport with public cash distorts the market to support an industry with declining natural consumer demand. [3, 4, 5, 6]
* The "Leakage" Problem: Independent fiscal studies—such as those evaluating [Pennsylvania's multi-billion dollar slot-tax subsidies](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)—have noted significant financial leakage. A large portion of subsidized purse money is won by out-of-state owners, trainers, and syndicates who do not reinvest those dollars locally. Conversely, a bridge repaired or a school built represents 100% local physical investment. [3, 7, 8, 9]
* Broad-Based Utility: Infrastructure and schools benefit every single industry, commuter, and family within a geographic region. Horse racing subsidies support a highly specific, concentrated micro-economy (e.g., hay/straw farmers, veterinarians, and jockeys). [2, 10]
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## The Counter-Argument from the Racing Industry
Proponents of maintaining the status quo argue that the term "subsidy" is a misnomer. In states like New York and Pennsylvania, these funds are legally mandated shares of casino slot-machine revenue designed to compensate racetracks for the loss of gambling market share to casinos. The industry highlights that these funds preserve tens of thousands of agricultural acres from urban development and anchor secondary rural economies that might otherwise collapse. [1, 2, 11, 12]
Ultimately, from a strict, macro-level societal standpoint, spending millions on foundational public infrastructure or education creates a much larger, self-sustaining ripple effect through the broader economy than propping up a niche commercial entertainment industry. [3, 8]
Are you evaluating these economic impacts for a specific state budget debate (like Pennsylvania or New York), or are you looking for the exact mathematical formulas economists use to calculate infrastructure multipliers? [7, 13]

[1] [https://www.countryside-alliance.org](https://www.countryside-alliance.org/resources/politics/the-role-of-the-racing-and-breeding-industry-in-rural-communities)
[2] [https://pennhorseracing.com](https://pennhorseracing.com/pennsylvania-economic-impact/pennsylvania-economic-benefits/)
[3] [https://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org](https://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org/uploads/1/2/6/1/126191702/final_for_immediate_release_rhdf_5-26-2020final.pdf)
[4] [https://lizfarmer.substack.com](https://lizfarmer.substack.com/p/when-states-take-over-horseracing)
[5] [https://www.nytimes.com](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/opinion/horse-racing-government-subsidies.html)
[6] [https://www.chegg.com](https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/questions-and-answers/public-schools-parks-libraries-roads-paid-largely-tax-revenue--goods-create-free-rider-pro-q13484841)
[7] [https://www.thecentersquare.com](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)
[8] [https://www.thecentersquare.com](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)
[9] [https://www.tribtoday.com](https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2015/09/horse-subsidy-draws-debate/)
[10] [https://www.theplaidhorse.com](https://www.theplaidhorse.com/2025/01/13/the-economics-of-horse-racing/)
[11] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/1lxdm2q/pa_needs_to_stop_subsidizing_horse_racing_and_put/)
[12] [https://www.post-gazette.com](https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2024/01/10/pennsylvania-horse-racing-taxpayer-subsidy/stories/202401100080)
[13] https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2026, 05:08:39 PM »
i have no idea when the music stops
depends on the party in power  and the state
Kentucky and some other states seem to think horse racing is fantastic
for 10 years or more people have said racing (especially harness)was dead
but every year i ( and many others)breed and race i(and many others make much much more) make more money
weird huh

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Re: Big Ranger
« Reply #27 on: Today at 12:59:12 AM »
It’s not horse owners job to grow the game.

Ronnie is a good guy, a good trainer and an average at BEST driver

some of you living in some weird socialist fairytale

there was millions of dollars hanging in the balance putting a driver on Big Ranger. the correct move was made. unfortunate as it was for some.

 

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