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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2026, 03:05:39 PM »
If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2026, 03:07:17 PM »
If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2026, 03:08:10 PM »
ngc3

or be placed on "eggnore"

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I like Cahloun's IGGY, to each their own.   ;D

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2026, 05:11:08 PM »

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2026, 05:12:22 PM »
If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.
tha k you

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2026, 05:13:18 PM »
not to mention I intentionally typed "numper"
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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2026, 05:14:50 PM »
this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about




we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure

the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it

Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse

I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times

now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.

the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper
i agree,yes they are numpers

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2026, 05:18:39 PM »
avree with most all sports eye was the best,now i use drf harness eye does anyone know if they have a results pageuse for daily harness eye,with chartwd lines?

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2026, 05:21:02 PM »
Saratogo has had good handle this year

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2026, 06:46:37 PM »
Grandma grammar is back ngc3

Remember when I drilled over your posts for grammar and spelling...you took a hiatus from the shame...it's a chat room dick head, interpret...or don't hang out with us illiterates.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2026, 06:53:02 PM »
I had a wager with my friend that the ultimate douche bag, Trigger, would comment on my post and I won.  Just a washed up piece of shit with nothing in his life but an internet message board to keep him occupied.  So very sad an existence to be you.  I picture a decriped decrepit lonely waste product waiting to respond to every fucking post on this board.  Time to get a real life and an education if possible at your age old man.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2026, 07:28:02 PM »
I had a wager with my friend that the ultimate douche bag, Trigger, would comment on my post and I won.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2026, 08:33:51 PM »
I've been working on a project for tbreds.

Using Equibase data that generates the Past Performance Running Line Preview chart below the detailed chart for each race in the Full Charts section.

For each race, I'm generating a line graph. One line per horse.  Each horse assigned a different line color. Leftmost data point X axis is first call. So on, until the rightmost which is finish. Y axis is lengths behind leader (or leader "by" lengths)

So you have a line graph with i.e., 10 lines depicting - left to right - the running of the race.

On a day with a speed bias, you'll see more of the top finishers at the top of the entire chart.

On a day with an anti-speed bias, you'll see more of the top finishers start at/toward the bottom left and finishing at/near the top.

I find this a very useful visual

In reviewing one card of charts, the optimal result is finding a very small number of horses that ran well against whatever bias there was.

Now a lot of races fall apart on the front and the finishers just passed tired horses.  Or the LAte Pace types were just trash and were never going to run well in any scenario.  So while useful, limited.  Plus defining track bias is very subjective.

So some of these horses are your first cut and go into virtual stable.  Then you look for return race with a better pace/trip set up. 

I've chosen Turfway because I want Synth (fewer shippers) and large fields.  When Turfway ends, Woodbine starts.

I've worked through the prior two meets at Turfway and am still learning. About 40 hours in and at least that much more work to do.

I think its a fools errand but I've seen some very positive things.

I'll probably get bored and quit.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2026, 10:36:55 AM »
Go-to PPs are TrackMaster Flashnet.

Clean, succinct, user-friendly.

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Re: What are the best past performance forms?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2026, 10:58:47 AM »
replays are the best past preformences

 

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