Florida DeCoupling Bill PAsses State House 77-34

[Calhoun]

This is the Gulfstream sponsored bill.

It now goes to the Florida Senate.

If it becomes law Gulfstream can keep it's slots license and dump racing.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Highest and best use. It doesn't look pretty right now. The fact is money people beat or buy brains people and the horsemen don't have any brains anyway. Repole is tight with DeSantis but nobody knows if that will even make a difference. Stronach will consider every option to maximize the value of that land. Race at Palm Meadows? Build a new track in Ocala? Hialeah? Calder? Who tf knows. Not looking good for what could have been. Sign of the times.

Repole was right about one thing, if Stronach wanted to decouple to access capital markets and develop, the horsemen should have hired the best of the best and negotiated X years of X dates a year racing. She said she would have played ball. Who tf knows. The horsemen's association, and the members at the time, who ended up walking away, did and said nothing at all. The t-bred people do better than the harness people. We'll see.

[Racetime]

Anyone that's ever been to Plam Meadows knows it was built to have room for a Grandstand and parking lot. It's only about a half mile off the Fla Tpike.

[Checked Up]

NO doubt that Palm Meadows is a good place for a pari-mutual site,but the question I have is will they be able to draw enough patrons to sustain on racing alone?!

[Papillon]

Highest and best use. It doesn't look pretty right now. The fact is money people beat or buy brains people and the horsemen don't have any brains anyway. Repole is tight with DeSantis but nobody knows if that will even make a difference. Stronach will consider every option to maximize the value of that land. Race at Palm Meadows? Build a new track in Ocala? Hialeah? Calder? Who tf knows. Not looking good for what could have been. Sign of the times.

Repole was right about one thing, if Stronach wanted to decouple to access capital markets and develop, the horsemen should have hired the best of the best and negotiated X years of X dates a year racing. She said she would have played ball. Who tf knows. The horsemen's association, and the members at the time, who ended up walking away, did and said nothing at all. The t-bred people do better than the harness people. We'll see.

I thought they already did that

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[Sweet]

My thoughts on this, previously...as I live here and might have a better geographic pulse than those not, Rainman 2, maybe others of our kind also also...

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[Grandstand Handicapper]

Anyone that's ever been to Plam Meadows knows it was built to have room for a Grandstand and parking lot. It's only about a half mile off the Fla Tpike.

NO doubt that Palm Meadows is a good place for a pari-mutual site,but the question I have is will they be able to draw enough patrons to sustain on racing alone?!

From what I have heard from the t-bred people: a) it would be strongly opposed (by the residents), and allegedly the town wasn't thrilled when Stronach floated the idea of PM being the permanent racetrack. It would also cost a fortune. Also, b) can you get the draw in Boynton Beach that you get in Hallandale Beach, and with a stand-alone track vs. what you currently have? I wouldn't know. Way above my pay grade, LOL.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I thought they already did that

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They did and yes, that exists in the current deal. When this whole debacle started last year when Stronach approached the horsemen's association about decoupling the track and the casino (so she could get money and develop)-----that is when the horsemen should have said, OK, you want to change the deal, then, so do we, and we are asking to change extend the guaranteed racing end date. Allegedly the horsemen asked for 10 years from the date of the agreement, she said no, and they said OK. That's what I was referring to. Their fault. They accepted a BS deal. That's why they ended up with a civil war and several members walked. Then you get a new, rival horsemen's association, and all the BS started. IMO, she said no, because she doesn't want to race any longer than she has to. The horsemen were stupid.

[Yonkers1A]

The end of Welfare racing is closing in

[Papillon]

They did and yes, that exists in the current deal. When this whole debacle started last year when Stronach approached the horsemen's association about decoupling the track and the casino (so she could get money and develop)-----that is when the horsemen should have said, OK, you want to change the deal, then, so do we, and we are asking to change extend the guaranteed racing end date. Allegedly the horsemen asked for 10 years from the date of the agreement, she said no, and they said OK. That's what I was referring to. Their fault. They accepted a BS deal. That's why they ended up with a civil war and several members walked. Then you get a new, rival horsemen's association, and all the BS started. IMO, she said no, because she doesn't want to race any longer than she has to. The horsemen were stupid.

I am fairly sure the horsemen knew there was no way in hell Belinda would give them a 10 year deal--so they "negotiated" a deal where they get 3 years notice--she said "ok"--then the horsemen grabbed the three year deal because they were in fear of 2026 being the last year

the land is too valuable--i feel the horsemen took what they could-- late in 2028 will be the end of Gulfstream

[Sweet]

If the Florida Senate pass this at 2/3rds or more (like the House did) then it is DeSantis doesn't men shit if he vetoes and the house and senate re-vote in a super majority again. 

Veto proof.

Could be curtains for Tampa and GP.

The senate hasn't scheduled it yet.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I am fairly sure the horsemen knew there was no way in hell Belinda would give them a 10 year deal--so they "negotiated" a deal where they get 3 years notice--she said "ok"--then the horsemen grabbed the three year deal because they were in fear of 2026 being the last year

the land is too valuable--i feel the horsemen took what they could-- late in 2028 will be the end of Gulfstream

And that's exactly why, IMO, they were fools. She might have if they agreed to segregate the casino and the track, because then she'd get her capital and her pay day. But, it doesn't matter. All the talk they gave, all the plans they had.....in the end, how'd that work out for them? Not too well from what I see. She would have given more than three years, because it's costing her more now. But, it is what it is. She figures, so be it, in the end, she thinks she's going to get what she wants. I guess we will soon see. I think Repole tried to approach her to partner on this, but that never got out of the starting gate. The entire current situation is unfortunate.

[John Moody]

It's a dead game Laddies 

[G]

This is the Gulfstream sponsored bill.

It now goes to the Florida Senate.

If it becomes law Gulfstream can keep it's slots license and dump racing.

Unfortunately this has become the future of horse racing.

[Sweet]

Unfortunately this has become the future of horse racing.

  Unfortunately  harness racing welfare on the chopping block for the corrupt twats that caused it and the innocent jagoffs too afraid to stand up and just getting scraps...yeh, your industry has started tumbling like fucking dominoes. 

Nothing successful, self sufficient that can out compete a competitor goes out of business you fucking scumbags who think otherwise...cheat ers and druggers, those that support drop dead cocksuckers, your whole family too that benefit from this - you decided for them, therefore....!