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Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« on: December 08, 2025, 07:55:30 PM »
I don't even remember the answers and I was there...

In the early 90's (90-94?) it was a baby stakes night at Yonkers.  Many $200k races.  Now this part is where my memory might be faulty...

Ian Kauffmann is on the lead going around the final turn and his horse goes down.  There is a pile up.  2 horses from the back win and place.  There is no 3rd place finisher.  The horse that wins breaks across the wire and the 2nd place horse lapped on and gets put up at @90-1.  Interestingly the 2nd place horse declared the winner went first over and actually died bad, was way way back. 

I believe Prince Ebony won the Open Handicap that night too.

I hit the p4 that night, and that race was the second leg of the p4.  Paid $9k.  I had to come back Monday to cash (no ss dl on me).  That's all I remember.

Does anyone remember that race and can fill it in accurately, get a video?


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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2025, 08:48:32 PM »
fwiw, here is what AI says:
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The horse involved in an incident with driver Ian Kaufman was
Lucky Bet.
The horse, a trotter, was scratched from a race at Yonkers Raceway around April 17, 2009, following an ambulance trip for an injury. The incident was recorded as a "driver-DNF-must requalify" event, and the horse was diagnosed with a pulled muscle, after which it was to be rested. "

If that much is correct, then, perhaps you can tease out the rest of the info you are looking for?? Good Luck!

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2025, 08:54:53 PM »
fwiw, here is what AI says:
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The horse involved in an incident with driver Ian Kaufman was
Lucky Bet.
The horse, a trotter, was scratched from a race at Yonkers Raceway around April 17, 2009, following an ambulance trip for an injury. The incident was recorded as a "driver-DNF-must requalify" event, and the horse was diagnosed with a pulled muscle, after which it was to be rested. "

If that much is correct, then, perhaps you can tease out the rest of the info you are looking for?? Good Luck!

The timeline is 1990-94...I'm not teasing, I don't remember it like it was yesterday.  Just the broad strokes, and you know how memory goes.  The accident was bad, the inquiry I believe went @ 90 minutes.  I think it was Ian Kauffmann on the lead, not bet my life on it.  Maybe the series was called Hopeful?

I want that race recalled accurately and video would be awesome.  I did my best.

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2025, 09:06:09 PM »
Might it be?
Ian B Kaufman
YR    08/16/1995
C C Lang  DNF
There is no Ian Kauffmann listed on The USTA Pathway as an owner trainer, or driver.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2025, 09:08:00 PM by Meadow Ford »
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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2025, 09:20:27 PM »
Might it be?
Ian B Kaufman
YR    08/16/1995
C C Lang  DNF
There is no Ian Kauffmann listed on The USTA Pathway as an owner trainer, or driver.

Maybe the spelling is wrong.  I think it was Ian Kaufman on the lead.  Was a Jewish / German last name, could of been a son to a more famous father?

But there was an Ian K racing in that era, not sure if this video poster spelled the name correctly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-aZJ8Pnc


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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2025, 09:28:27 PM »
I don't even remember the answers and I was there...

In the early 90's (90-94?) it was a baby stakes night at Yonkers.  Many $200k races.  Now this part is where my memory might be faulty...

Ian Kauffmann is on the lead going around the final turn and his horse goes down.  There is a pile up.  2 horses from the back win and place.  There is no 3rd place finisher.  The horse that wins breaks across the wire and the 2nd place horse lapped on and gets put up at @90-1.  Interestingly the 2nd place horse declared the winner went first over and actually died bad, was way way back. 

I believe Prince Ebony won the Open Handicap that night too.

I hit the p4 that night, and that race was the second leg of the p4.  Paid $9k.  I had to come back Monday to cash (no ss dl on me).  That's all I remember.

Does anyone remember that race and can fill it in accurately, get a video?

I believe this was NYSS finals and maybe D.R. Ackerman was one of the 2 horses that finished

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2025, 09:46:36 PM »
I believe this was NYSS finals and maybe D.R. Ackerman was one of the 2 horses that finished

Could be entirely possible.  There is something about that driver's name that connects with that long shot possibly.  NYSS makes sense too.  I think you're close!

I'm spinning about a race in the 1990's should be a big deal being it went down and finished pretty much like I said and a big race...my adw the vids go back 9/3/14, on Roberts Comm March 2007 on Yonkers...though here is an accident at Yonkers in 1956  ngc3 and I ain't laughing about the accident but 75 years ago I find a vid from!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoFYRQib6Ik

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2025, 09:58:07 PM »
If not Kauffmann or Kaufman the only Jewish and or German sounding names I remember back in that era was Silverman, Siegelman...someh ow I remember it was the son driving for a more famous father...that horse went down and caused the crash.

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2025, 10:27:31 PM »

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2025, 10:54:13 PM »
Jerry Silverman was a very successful traIner and his son, Richie Silverman drove and subsequently trained horses.  Richie would have been active in the 90's.

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2025, 12:38:52 AM »
Maybe the spelling is wrong.  I think it was Ian Kaufman on the lead.  Was a Jewish / German last name, could of been a son to a more famous father?

But there was an Ian K racing in that era, not sure if this video poster spelled the name correctly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-aZJ8Pnc

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2025, 05:37:01 PM »
I REMEMBER A RACE AROUND 1981 AT FREESTATE RACEWAY I WAS UP IN THE GRANDSTANDS MAKING DONATIONS TO THE HANDLE. THERE WAS A RACE THAT WAS I BELIEVE A 5 OR 6 CLAIMER AND THE FAVORITE HAD ALMOST ALL WINS IN THE SAME CLASS. HE WAS LIKE 3-5 AND LOOKED 2-3 SECONDS BETTER THAN THE REST OF THEM.HE WAS 4OR 5TH GOING INTO LAST TURN BUT HAD A LOT OF PACE.THE STABLE GATE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST TURN AND THIS HORSE WAS COMING FAST ON THE OUTSIDE AND SUDDENLY TRIED TO USE THE EXIT FOR THE BARN AND HIT IT HEAD ON AND DROPPED DEAD INSTANTLY. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT.
AND IT WAS ANNOUNCED AFTER THE RACE THAT THE HORSE WAS CLAIMED.
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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2025, 06:20:02 PM »
Ian Kaufman drove at Yonkers in the early 90's.  I vaguely remember what you are talking about, if it's the same night me and my buddy Charley were there, we bought three corn dogs....only ate two of them.  I do remember someone going down.....I'll see if I can find some video from that night.

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2025, 06:23:31 PM »
Ian Kaufman drove at Yonkers in the early 90's.  I vaguely remember what you are talking about, if it's the same night me and my buddy Charley were there, we bought three corn dogs....only ate two of them.  I do remember someone going down.....I'll see if I can find some video from that night.

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Just curious, what did happen to that 3rd corn dog?   ;D

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Re: Maybe the toughest harness racing trivia ? EVER...
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2025, 06:44:09 PM »
Not sure I want to see that video.
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