Dooomsday for Howard....or not

[Harness racer]

What in the holy fuck should anyone care what anyone does for a living?

Are we adult truant officers, the fucking labor department?

Then remain completely in stealth of who they are and make statements about themselves that cannot be verified first hand?

This one way cowardice has to stop!

You know who was shoe-less and on welfare, Oprah, you know who grew up on Chicago's South Side in poverty, Larry Ellison...nuts this place.

Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it.  And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation.  Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things.  And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time.  Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

I'm a crackhead on rehab vacation! 

Semi-permanent...I've packed my pipe and heading East...Hong Kong, 2026! 

They take 400 million in state welfare then say they injected 200 million into the local economy. Pay no attention to wagering being down another 111 million less than this time last year. Same as last year compared to the year before that. Nothing to see here, all is well. But they say I'M on welfare??? 

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it.  And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation.  Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things.  And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time.  Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.

Unless by some miracle the industry somehow rebounds with the public and can stand on its own, the writing is on the wall. Does anyone truly believe this will last forever? At the same time the criminals are pillaging the village right in front of everyone.

[Sakit]

They take 400 million in state welfare then say they injected 200 million into the local economy. Pay no attention to wagering being down another 111 million less than this time last year. Same as last year compared to the year before that. Nothing to see here, all is well. But they say I'M on welfare??? 

question are you on welfare?

[Sakit]

Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it.  And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation.  Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things.  And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time.  Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.

[Trigger]

Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it.  And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation.  Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things.  And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time.  Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.

You misread or maybe I wasn't crystal, Sakit said everyone should be working...so I showed a scenario of which I agreed they should be working, this one...

"Able bodied and collecting welfare, a lazy couch potato not working.

Sure!  "

[Trigger]

Millions of years later at Plop...

I have question (asked and answered in the forum 40,000+ previously  )...

-Sakit

 

[Calhoun]

question are you on welfare?

Who?

Medicaid Mike?

no +10000

yes -50000000

[Pacer 2]

Petrelli cant hold a job   

[Calhoun]

Unemployed Shit Shoveler =/= Horseman 

Trigger, please tell Medicaid Mike please. 

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

Unemployed Shit Shoveler =/= Horseman 

Trigger, please tell Medicaid Mike please.

One minute to your promised iggy!!! 
Gonna cry to the admins again?

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Its the old, where there's smoke there's usually fire. With Ford, it's two-fold: one, he gave horses to other trainers to train. On the surface you might give him a pass but if you dig deeper the guys he elected to use turned out to be some of the guys implicated in the Seth Fishman fiasco. At minimum that's a bad look, especially if you're the president of the Horsemen's Association. Others might take a more viscerable view and come to the conclusion that there was willfull intent to use those guys to win substantial purse money while technically avoiding any responsibility. Add to that the reputation of his training facility being the haven for dubious trainers that continually strike at a unfathomable win rate throughout New York, especially Yonkers and you can see why many are not fond of him. As for Howard, I think there exists a new sentiment that it's time to deal with this guy. And outside of cutting off CAW, this is the single biggest reason why so many owners have given up. For decades they race against guys like Taylor who only supports high percentage trainers and will move a horse in an instant.

That all makes sense to me. Where there's smoke there's fire, very true many times. Perhaps even most of the time. But here's the way I see this when you break it down. I am not saying I would give Ford a pass or not. However, here is what I am saying. One, as far as who he selected to give horses to train, specifically Jeff Gillis, I am not condeming Ford for that unless we start condeming all of Gillis' other owners. I don't see any governing body or authority taking action against Ford because he chose Gillis. As far as Gills, the guy won what, 5 or 6 O'Brien awards? For several years he was a top trainer. Many people sent him horses. Now he gets nailed for the Fishman aspect, and I am all for banning him. Good riddance.

Two, are people saying Ford was in on it? He knew and was involved in the purchase of illegal drugs? He had knowledge, involvment, whatever else? Great, prove it. I am not talking about what some arm-chair desparado says or claims on some internet forum. Prove it. Let's see who takes action. Let's wait for all the excuses when nothing ever happens to Ford on this. Now, should he be held to a higher standard as the President of the SBOANJ. Legally, no. However, personally, I would want to see a higher standard. The optics are bad, without question, but I am not going to ban a guy or ruin his life for optics. If every owner wants to leave him because of this, so be it. Ford will bear the consequences of his decisions and actions.

Three, as far the trainers who stable at his training center, I agree. I have a problem with that. Especially since he is the President. If you let criminals stable at your training center, even if you knew nothing, it still is reflective of your professional decisions and how you run your business. I don't know how many trainers he has there total, and how many got indicted, charged, etc. But more than one is a problem in my mind, and a pattern is even worse. I know people have shared this with him. If a governing body or authority wants to do something about it, I am all for it. But if it doesn't happen, I am not going to lower myself and buy into mud-slinging and BS claims made by people who IMO have an obvious conflict and vendetta against someone-----whether it's about this, or other issues. I have people here on ignore, so I don't even read their BS, yet alone participate in it. Thanks. I appreciate your comments and perspective.

[Trigger]

This one here, big fatso friend! 

O'Brien awards,  Moreau won 10 years in a row 

Tracks are private business...they don't want you there and they're not violating your civil rights.

Fuck you!

The gamblers are tired of you, guess what?

Fuck you!

Honest horseman and owners are tired of you?

Fuck you!

There are 2 kinds of people, good and bad.  It's that simple.  I think the bad should drop dead!   

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

This one here, big fatso friend! 

O'Brien awards,  Moreau won 10 years in a row 

Tracks are private business...they don't want you there and they're not violating your civil rights.

Fuck you!

The gamblers are tired of you, guess what?

Fuck you!

Honest horseman and owners are tired of you?

Fuck you!

There are 2 kinds of people, good and bad.  It's that simple.  I think the bad should drop dead!   

How scared are the crooks? More "people" are against me here which you can count on one hand that have to hide then are out of the 5500 group members I have on Facebook. Rarely does anyone ever speak up against me, being themselves and all. 

[Trigger]

How scared are the crooks? More "people" are against me here which you can count on one hand that have to hide then are out of the 5500 group members I have on Facebook. Rarely does anyone ever speak up against me, being themselves and all. 

Most people who've done wrong have a chance in life to redeem themselves.

They find a way based on the proportionally of the wrong and crime.

When you're dying about to die, they can apologize.

Some contrition.

Three things I never got:

(1) Why not embrace the challenge of it being difficult and don't cheat and steal, a true earned accolade based on hard work and even fate.

(2) For those that have kids do you think you're independent of that once they've been released from your body, that those genes, the inherent subconscious guilt, the depression won't come out at some point - poisoning yourself and your lineage when you cheat and steal, intentionally hurt others, weakness.

(3) That they're so brazen, like those ridiculous true stories of drug dealers calling the cops when they got robbed...that you don't keep your head down, and even think about calling it a day.