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A trainer at a crossroads.....
« on: November 16, 2025, 02:15:27 PM »
https://paulickreport.com/features/in-their-care/kirkpatrick-co-presents-in-their-care-back-in-the-u-s-trainer-jimmy-jerkens-at-a-crossroads

I get that he's a t-bred trainer, and maybe I wouldn't think about it if I hadn't met the guy-----and his dad-----but this is going on in the harness game too. Even more perhaps with harness racing with the current state of affairs. When I think about the harness game, way back in the day, I can't help but think about Dave Elliott. A truly great horseman, but just not a people person. When he was on top, people were sending him horses. Forget about soliciting and talking to owners, he didn't like talking to people, LOL. But a great horseman. His cousin, Steve Elliott, was a bit similar in that respect. Some excellent trainers just don't like, can't do, whatever, the business side of training.

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2025, 03:51:53 PM »
https://paulickreport.com/features/in-their-care/kirkpatrick-co-presents-in-their-care-back-in-the-u-s-trainer-jimmy-jerkens-at-a-crossroads

I get that he's a t-bred trainer, and maybe I wouldn't think about it if I hadn't met the guy-----and his dad-----but this is going on in the harness game too. Even more perhaps with harness racing with the current state of affairs. When I think about the harness game, way back in the day, I can't help but think about Dave Elliott. A truly great horseman, but just not a people person. When he was on top, people were sending him horses. Forget about soliciting and talking to owners, he didn't like talking to people, LOL. But a great horseman. His cousin, Steve Elliott, was a bit similar in that respect. Some excellent trainers just don't like, can't do, whatever, the business side of training.
I wonder whatever happened to Dave last I heard he went back to Michigan

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2025, 03:58:37 PM »
Uber/Lyft in Florida. Not going to get into it. But Dave's issue's were more then his personality.

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2025, 08:55:03 PM »
Uber/Lyft in Florida. Not going to get into it. But Dave's issue's were more then his personality.
I agree on Dave's issues

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2025, 01:47:10 AM »
https://paulickreport.com/features/in-their-care/kirkpatrick-co-presents-in-their-care-back-in-the-u-s-trainer-jimmy-jerkens-at-a-crossroads

I get that he's a t-bred trainer, and maybe I wouldn't think about it if I hadn't met the guy-----and his dad-----but this is going on in the harness game too. Even more perhaps with harness racing with the current state of affairs. When I think about the harness game, way back in the day, I can't help but think about Dave Elliott. A truly great horseman, but just not a people person. When he was on top, people were sending him horses. Forget about soliciting and talking to owners, he didn't like talking to people, LOL. But a great horseman. His cousin, Steve Elliott, was a bit similar in that respect. Some excellent trainers just don't like, can't do, whatever, the business side of training.
After reading this article I always thought Tony Alagna working for Erv was perfect match for Tony is all salesman and like him or not Erv is an excellent horseman, night and day better than Tony but they were perfect fit.

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2025, 10:17:44 AM »
After reading this article I always thought Tony Alagna working for Erv was perfect match for Tony is all salesman and like him or not Erv is an excellent horseman, night and day better than Tony but they were perfect fit.

Excellent point. Tony was the PR guy, and was far more comfortable dealing with owners, relationship management, etc.-----and I know some of the owners were more comfortable dealing with Tony than Erv.

Way back it was similar with David Rovine and Joe Holloway. David was 1000% salesman, the ultimate promoter. Joe was the horseman. When Joe went on his own, the Rovine model just fell apart. Joe of course had to become the lead guy, do more PR, relationship management, and turn into a salesman a bit, and he did. He learned, LOL.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2025, 09:33:27 AM »
Excellent point. Tony was the PR guy, and was far more comfortable dealing with owners, relationship management, etc.-----and I know some of the owners were more comfortable dealing with Tony than Erv.

Way back it was similar with David Rovine and Joe Holloway. David was 1000% salesman, the ultimate promoter. Joe was the horseman. When Joe went on his own, the Rovine model just fell apart. Joe of course had to become the lead guy, do more PR, relationship management, and turn into a salesman a bit, and he did. He learned, LOL.
Joe has always been a great ambassador for the sport. Great trainer.

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2025, 12:25:28 PM »
Joe has had many positives during his time. Wouldnt call that a great ambassador.

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Re: A trainer at a crossroads.....
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2025, 01:33:25 PM »
Excellent point. Tony was the PR guy, and was far more comfortable dealing with owners, relationship management, etc.-----and I know some of the owners were more comfortable dealing with Tony than Erv.

Way back it was similar with David Rovine and Joe Holloway. David was 1000% salesman, the ultimate promoter. Joe was the horseman. When Joe went on his own, the Rovine model just fell apart. Joe of course had to become the lead guy, do more PR, relationship management, and turn into a salesman a bit, and he did. He learned, LOL.

Well said

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« Reply #9 on: Today at 09:08:57 AM »
Joe has had many positives during his time. Wouldnt call that a great ambassador.
all great trainers did. I can remember owners following Pelling and Crogan around like they were the second coming little did
they know came out of a box of baking soda.

 

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