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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2025, 09:00:40 AM »
Ok I get it but I still don’t agree 100%. No argument about dishonest politicians because that’s the norm. Businesses can definitely stretch the truth, or even the laws, but most are relatively honest. Sports is very subjective because many dishonest actions have been documented like Deflate Gate, the Black Sox WS scandal, false NFL injury reports etc. But 99% of all games are honest efforts in my opinion. This cannot be said of harness racing. Decades ago it was always the honesty and efforts of the drivers that were scrutinized.Today, in a total shift, it is the cheating chemists called trainers under scrutiny. If you haven’t noticed every single week the USTA publishes a list of drug cheating trainers. The betting public reads these reports and continues to move their betting resources to other venues where they believe they are getting a fair shot.  In recent years the biggest, and supposedly best trainers, have been caught with illegal drugs. Then after being found guilty the powers that be issues “stays” that can delay punishments for years while they continue to race and cheat. It is the only sport that refuses to police itself aggressively and why the sport is destined for extinction.
        Most cheaters get caught and are eventually weeded out. As far as "destined for extinction" I've been hearing that nonsense for 30 years!   ngc3 ngc3  PED's in team sports and college recruiting violations are massive, far more than racing.
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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2025, 10:12:36 AM »
So,  you got bought out for the price of a dinner. ???
Not at all!

He offered it no strings attached!
Thank you for putting your 2 cents in on this!!

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2025, 10:59:33 AM »
The horse went a sub-27-second third quarter, and the driver was leaning flat to hold on.

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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2025, 11:56:22 AM »
Hey dingus, you say deters has 2 wins at Batavia , WRONG ! If you are trying to  defend him, get it right. At least 4 wins, on 9/20 mirragon, 9/24 American delight n, and last night he had 2 winners so that at least 4, not 2. I know all owners and workers want to defend their great trainers, but when you get nailed you got take some bullshit. It’s all good till you get caught then everyone has all the excuses what happened , why the trainer gets nailed. Everyone can be the best trainer if you juice to the gills. Lots of crooked drug using trainers .

You are really something else, you know?  I hadn’t seen last nights results, where he was 2 for 7 ( which included a 1-5 shot).  So now he’s 4 for 24 or 16.7%.  GTFOH.

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2025, 02:05:06 PM »
Nw15000 last 4 went 50.3 a Pelling connection horse . Izzy win nw1250 last 4 in 1:50.2  1:22 3/4s when does it stop . I agree Meadowlands got rid of him Chester should follow . Ray Burnt lol turn the Travis juice back on today both his horses were flying home. Been dead last 5-6 starts . They don’t care short horses and main reason no one wants to race against the gas . No one is 4-5 seconds better then another trainer unless they don’t feed there horses and leave in stall . But the guy that had that horse is a ok trainer . But no one on Izzy level . Gas gas gas
Synthetic EPO, in addition to whatever compounded drugs he gets from south of the border.
Remember, when Steve McQueen was dying, he went to Mexico for treatment because they have drugs down there that are nowhere near approved by the FDA up here. You can't test for what you don't know exists and doesn't even have a known pharmaceutical name.
This horse will disappear in a month or two, like the others. Manipulating a horse to race far beyond its natural ability, despite pre-existing conditions (conformation defects, joint issues etc.) is not a sustainable endeavor.
For the first time in my life, I'm rooting for the demise of Harness Racing. It's become so unredeemable, criminal, slimy, toxic and broken, that it is truly an abomination to society.

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2025, 06:52:42 PM »
Mike Deters is a hard working trainer with good help. He is an a one guy!

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2025, 07:19:52 PM »
Usta to confirm what I said ? Look it up, it was already on there . Where do think I saw it , you think I made it up ? July 30, 2022. It’s all when you inject , how many hours or days b4 the race and what new drugs work that they can’t test for or is not showing up in the piss test . Sometimes you get nailed and sometimes you don’t.

Yes, you are correct, but let’s not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  It was for a class 4 drug (methocarbomal overage).
3 days and a $500 fine.

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2025, 08:12:50 PM »
I was at Meadowlands when they told him don’t drop in . Others should follow . Biggest gas and liar in racing .

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2025, 10:12:00 PM »
Dude is a chemist nobody improves him

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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2025, 12:12:55 PM »
The horses that raced well for this horses previous connections, usually step up big in their new environments. WORD! tmbz1

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2025, 11:24:19 PM »
Yes, you are correct, but let’s not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  It was for a class 4 drug (methocarbomal overage).
3 days and a $500 fine.

Agree with you here. Things like methocarbamol and several others, are pretty innocuous and have a therapeutic use case, and you have to assume they're legitimate mistakes on overages or withdrawal times because they clearly test. Not that that's "ok," but can happen.

It's the stuff they aren't testing for, and/or things being used in such a way they don't or can't test.


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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2025, 12:11:20 AM »
Scumbag Izzy!!

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« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2025, 09:24:43 AM »
Is Izzy a Pena disciple?

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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2025, 04:38:39 PM »
Izzy is a juicer !!!!! Has been for years . No mystery here. Check his horses out in the paddock 1/2 the time they are out of their minds. unfortunately for him the juice does not work on all his horses.

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Re: Izzy Estrada improves horse 5 seconds first start.
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2025, 05:21:52 PM »
The "Frog Juice" has been a Mexican favorite for a decades amigo.!! 🐸

 

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