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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2025, 10:35:56 AM »
Monticello. Not Jonkers.

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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2025, 10:51:26 AM »
IF YOU PUT WALTER ON THE GASSED UP NY HORSES HE WILL DO VERY WELL.
LET HIM DRIVE FOR SOME REAL DOPERS. SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2025, 10:55:36 AM »
WHEN A HORSE WIMNS A RACE WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK THE DRIVER PLAYS?
WHAT PERCENT IS THE HORSE/CARE/DRUGS?

BELCHER USE TO WIN RACES WITH DARREN BINSKIN.
STOCK AND DOPE MATTERS.  WHEN HORSES ARE DOPED ANYONE CAN DRIVE THEM. POINT AND STEER.
I MEAN LOOK AT BECKWITH AND HIS DADDYS HORSES. POINT AND STEER.

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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2025, 10:59:55 AM »
WHEN A HORSE WIMNS A RACE WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK THE DRIVER PLAYS?
WHAT PERCENT IS THE HORSE/CARE/DRUGS?

BELCHER USE TO WIN RACES WITH DARREN BINSKIN.
STOCK AND DOPE MATTERS.  WHEN HORSES ARE DOPED ANYONE CAN DRIVE THEM. POINT AND STEER.
I MEAN LOOK AT BECKWITH AND HIS DADDYS HORSES. POINT AND STEER.
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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2025, 11:15:13 AM »
Case is a human being. So, I would treat him with that much respect. I can't understand how all these people go by the premise, "he did his time" let him earn a living.
 Walter was a functioning alcoholic and drug addict all the time he was racing at Yonkers and Northfield. High as a kite most nights. He made big bucks and was flat out broke.
 So, the man was driving like he was the second coming. Picking some horses up 3 seconds the first time he drove. Making a horse with a long history of not trying into a front running monster. Given all that to be true, how in the world did this all happen and continue to happen for 15 years or so?
 Well, the track management and the State Racing Commissions supported Walter. The trainers and owners supported Walter and the gamblers supported Walter, too.
Now every component of racing turned a blind eye and never gave Walter what he really needed. Not as long as he was making them money. Here is one other thing that amuses me. I hear many people say , "well at least you know Walter is sending everything he is always a go." How many junkies, alcoholics and gamblers do you know that would never take a package? Walter took a package all the time at Northfield.
So, knowing the man was a drunk a junkie and a gambler for decades. He would stiff one when needed and bet when he wanted. Kick a horse when ever he pleased. Pop a hand full of pills. Get drunk and stupid every night and still come up with , "he served his time". I say bull shit . I say getting busted for stabbing his wife in the back shoulder area, getting convicted and sentenced to prison, saved his life. Walter was such a success he need a public offender to represent him.   He was dead broke when he went down yet so many people believe he never stiffed a horse. The winningest driver in the sport stabs his wife outside there $800 a month apartment and needs a public defender!!  Walter was refused a license by every state until a couple years ago, why? It was because he refused to enter an alcohol out patient program to monitor and report back to the commission. I don't know if he is still sucking on his Bottle of Bud but, I would not be surprised.
 So much for he did his time and deserves a chance. 

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2025, 11:23:12 AM »
Even with the few chances he's getting now, the talent is no longer there and will be lucky to earn between $25,000 and $30,000 driving this year,
« Last Edit: June 11, 2025, 11:25:45 AM by Scooteroo »

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2025, 11:26:52 AM »
Case is a human being. So, I would treat him with that much respect. I can't understand how all these people go by the premise, "he did his time" let him earn a living.
 Walter was a functioning alcoholic and drug addict all the time he was racing at Yonkers and Northfield. High as a kite most nights. He made big bucks and was flat out broke.
 So, the man was driving like he was the second coming. Picking some horses up 3 seconds the first time he drove. Making a horse with a long history of not trying into a front running monster. Given all that to be true, how in the world did this all happen and continue to happen for 15 years or so?
 Well, the track management and the State Racing Commissions supported Walter. The trainers and owners supported Walter and the gamblers supported Walter, too.
Now every component of racing turned a blind eye and never gave Walter what he really needed. Not as long as he was making them money. Here is one other thing that amuses me. I hear many people say , "well at least you know Walter is sending everything he is always a go." How many junkies, alcoholics and gamblers do you know that would never take a package? Walter took a package all the time at Northfield.
So, knowing the man was a drunk a junkie and a gambler for decades. He would stiff one when needed and bet when he wanted. Kick a horse when ever he pleased. Pop a hand full of pills. Get drunk and stupid every night and still come up with , "he served his time". I say bull shit . I say getting busted for stabbing his wife in the back shoulder area, getting convicted and sentenced to prison, saved his life. Walter was such a success he need a public offender to represent him.   He was dead broke when he went down yet so many people believe he never stiffed a horse. The winningest driver in the sport stabs his wife outside there $800 a month apartment and needs a public defender!!  Walter was refused a license by every state until a couple years ago, why? It was because he refused to enter an alcohol out patient program to monitor and report back to the commission. I don't know if he is still sucking on his Bottle of Bud but, I would not be surprised.
 So much for he did his time and deserves a chance.
Gotta agree, everything Exporter states is true, nice perspective  tmbz1 Maybe its the society we live in..how many times do you find yourself rooting for "the bad guy" in a movie or a TV series..everybody loves rooting for the ruthless Mob Guy, whether fictional or real...never heard anyone say they didn't love the Tony Soprano character etc etc

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2025, 11:30:50 AM »

Gas or no gas, a top driver wins more often than a bad driver. What happens when several horses have gas, who wins, the one with the better gas or the one with the better driver? I'm sure you'll say the one with the better gas.

horses can trip out. and certain drivers may give horses better trips more often then not. how many horses go to the front and straight to the winners circle?  a lot in harness racing i would say.
more often times then not HORSES WHO ARE DOPED DONT NEED TRIPS.   go to the front or dont get locked in for life.
yes certain driver may get along better with certain horses.

let walter drive for curke or cleary or engblom or takter or name any top traineer you want.
  do you think he would win races or do you think these guys would fall in the standings using walter?

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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2025, 11:39:03 AM »
horses can trip out. and certain drivers may give horses better trips more often then not. how many horses go to the front and straight to the winners circle?  a lot in harness racing i would say.
more often times then not HORSES WHO ARE DOPED DONT NEED TRIPS.   go to the front or dont get locked in for life.
yes certain driver may get along better with certain horses.

let walter drive for curke or cleary or engblom or takter or name any top traineer you want.
  do you think he would win races or do you think these guys would fall in the standings using walter?


I just think you and some others are living in the past when it comes to Walter.
I know you love Walter and you love gas, but he no longer has the talent he once had, plus those guys would never use him anyway because he's not a top driver anymore.
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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2025, 11:54:37 AM »
here is the point im trying to make.
he doesnt need the talent he use to have when you have BB3 running through their veins.


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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2025, 02:19:36 PM »
I agree he would do better, but how much better, no one knows. We'll agree to disagree on the talent part.

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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2025, 07:39:46 PM »
here is the point im trying to make.
he doesnt need the talent he use to have when you have BB3 running through their veins.
According to most here everyone uses gas.  So how does that benefit a particular driver?  I remember days when Casey was listed on 90% of the horses on a Northfield card. He had his choice to pick the best. For those that claim every time he got beat he was betting, then why was he broke. He should have been a millionaire

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2025, 07:56:17 PM »
Walter could wake up from a coma and outdrive anybody at Monti.

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2025, 08:44:20 PM »
Walter could wake up from a coma and outdrive anybody at Monti.

I think he might outdrive those guys up there if he was still in a coma.

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Re: Case back in NY
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2025, 09:40:25 PM »
Case is human I’m sure he is aware the decisions he made ruined his career.  To think he would be competive on NY circuit is ludicrous.  He’s not killing it on the circuit. Bruce Ranger Drive circles around him. Some of the other people do as well. Is he making money yes but father time has caught up with Walter plus he’s overweight.

 

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