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Tracks closing
« on: April 29, 2025, 06:20:01 AM »
Is anyone taking bets on the next track to close ? 

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2025, 07:14:47 AM »
Rosecroft....char ging $50 entry fee to race for peanuts

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2025, 07:30:12 AM »
NORTHVILLE'S ACTION AT HASTINGS DOWNS ;D

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2025, 07:31:43 AM »
One of those smaller Canadian tracks

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2025, 07:49:28 AM »
Probably Hawthorne, or one of the new York tracks.. Vernon or Tiaoga

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2025, 09:25:07 AM »
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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2025, 09:44:40 AM »
Losing Pompano, Freehold, Cal Expo, & Northville in a short period is bad for the sport. There is definitely more to come. I agree that a small Canadian track will close...not sure which one. VD & Tioga have no handle. Tioga has some okay purses. At this rate is it who is next or how many more?

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2025, 09:51:19 AM »
Next to close..Hawthorne and Rosecroft.  I don't see either one of these tracks surviving.  Monticello is another that will probably close in the next couple years.

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2025, 10:01:10 AM »
My vote is for Monticello.
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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2025, 10:16:01 AM »
I guess what I need to know is....

Is harness racing for participants or fans, or blended both, with what percentage taking precedent, or is it intended to be 50/50?

If harness racing is for participants, close all tracks with small purses.  That is easy.

If for fans, close all with no handle.  Again, easy.

Believers in the first fail to see that without a focus for fans, who will pay for the participation long term? 

And, on the second part, if participants are not paid, why will they race for fans?

The bridge to the second perspective seems clearer to me.  More fans, means more potential revenue to pay the participants, and thus encourage them to race. 

The first perspective requires an independent source, a handout to some, to continue to race. 

Clearly, some blend is needed, but it seems a focus towards fan participation leads to more on track participation, than vice versa. 

Just a quick, probably incomplete summary, of what I've felt for a while, yet never expressed. 

So, if I were to be in charge of closing tracks, I would close small handle tracks and shift their purse revenue, where possible, to larger fan base tracks.  In NY, much of the Vernon, Vernon, Tioga and Buffalo money would go to Monticello, where there is a clear desire from fans to continue racing. 

Buffalo's Saturday card....13 races, top handle was $19,172, with 3 races handling under 10K.

Monticello's Monday card.....9 races, top handle was $58,688, while the lowest was a single race with just over 11K, and all others closer to, and well over 30K. 

Harness racing seems to offer more of what people care less about.  I'm not sure that is good business. 

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2025, 10:22:25 AM »
Probably Hawthorne, or one of the new York tracks.. Vernon or Tiaoga

Vernon has been life support for years now.

Hawthorne has been getting worse 

Over the years due to recapture and bad management.

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2025, 10:41:32 AM »
I guess what I need to know is....

Is harness racing for participants or fans, or blended both, with what percentage taking precedent, or is it intended to be 50/50?

If harness racing is for participants, close all tracks with small purses.  That is easy.

If for fans, close all with no handle.  Again, easy.

Believers in the first fail to see that without a focus for fans, who will pay for the participation long term? 

And, on the second part, if participants are not paid, why will they race for fans?

The bridge to the second perspective seems clearer to me.  More fans, means more potential revenue to pay the participants, and thus encourage them to race. 

The first perspective requires an independent source, a handout to some, to continue to race. 

Clearly, some blend is needed, but it seems a focus towards fan participation leads to more on track participation, than vice versa. 

Just a quick, probably incomplete summary, of what I've felt for a while, yet never expressed. 

So, if I were to be in charge of closing tracks, I would close small handle tracks and shift their purse revenue, where possible, to larger fan base tracks.  In NY, much of the Vernon, Vernon, Tioga and Buffalo money would go to Monticello, where there is a clear desire from fans to continue racing. 

Buffalo's Saturday card....13 races, top handle was $19,172, with 3 races handling under 10K.

Monticello's Monday card.....9 races, top handle was $58,688, while the lowest was a single race with just over 11K, and all others closer to, and well over 30K. 

Harness racing seems to offer more of what people care less about.  I'm not sure that is good business.

It is an entertainment/sports product which should be supported by customers/patrons/fans not government handouts. If the customers/patrons/fans do not support the product sufficiently then the product should be changed or cease to exist. Tax dollars should not support something the public does not want. 

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2025, 10:54:43 AM »
Monticello

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2025, 11:45:09 AM »
It is an entertainment/sports product which should be supported by customers/patrons/fans not government handouts. If the customers/patrons/fans do not support the product sufficiently then the product should be changed or cease to exist. Tax dollars should not support something the public does not want.

I certainly lean this direction, if not land squarely on this.

I think I was just trying to avoid giving my middle finger to participants...a bad habit of mine, at times, not wanting to rock the boat!

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Re: Tracks closing
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2025, 02:51:01 PM »
I guess what I need to know is....

Is harness racing for participants or fans, or blended both, with what percentage taking precedent, or is it intended to be 50/50?

If harness racing is for participants, close all tracks with small purses.  That is easy.

If for fans, close all with no handle.  Again, easy.

Believers in the first fail to see that without a focus for fans, who will pay for the participation long term? 

And, on the second part, if participants are not paid, why will they race for fans?

The bridge to the second perspective seems clearer to me.  More fans, means more potential revenue to pay the participants, and thus encourage them to race. 

The first perspective requires an independent source, a handout to some, to continue to race. 

Clearly, some blend is needed, but it seems a focus towards fan participation leads to more on track participation, than vice versa. 

Just a quick, probably incomplete summary, of what I've felt for a while, yet never expressed. 

So, if I were to be in charge of closing tracks, I would close small handle tracks and shift their purse revenue, where possible, to larger fan base tracks.  In NY, much of the Vernon, Vernon, Tioga and Buffalo money would go to Monticello, where there is a clear desire from fans to continue racing. 

Buffalo's Saturday card....13 races, top handle was $19,172, with 3 races handling under 10K.

Monticello's Monday card.....9 races, top handle was $58,688, while the lowest was a single race with just over 11K, and all others closer to, and well over 30K. 

Harness racing seems to offer more of what people care less about.  I'm not sure that is good business.
If a track closes there no “purse revenue” to move. You need to clarify that one?

 

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