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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2025, 10:14:05 AM »
What is corruption? Anything other than a 100% effort to win? If that's the definition then I think the percentage is high, between 1/3 and 1/2. However, is all of that corruption? The heavy favorite who trained poorly that week, and he finishes 6th or back? Some will say the trainer should have scratched the horse. The horse that drew a bad post, in a tough field, and if he finishes 4th or back he gets money off his card and can drop in class next out? Some will say that's "stiffing" the horse. Is that the same as Steve Kerr sitting Curry, Butler, Kuminga, and Green, at the end of the season because they already made the playoffs and he wants to rest them?

Short of a driver gambling and the egregious aspect there, the trainer/driver lack of effort for class relief, or some nefarious activity, a lot of what goes on is inherently part of the business, and by default, part of the sport.
Agreed. This was also the case back in the ABC classification system. A player needed to be sharp enough and disciplined enough to learn the characteristics of every trainer. If a certain trainer would be a go or no, when in a position to drop in class. And yes, we called it "stiffing" then , too. Is this corupt? Yes but, accepted as part of the game. Learn it or burn your money on a stone cold favirot finishing back.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2025, 10:25:35 AM »
Not sure what he means "corrupted"

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2025, 10:27:35 AM »
He means any trainer who uses things other than hay and oats.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2025, 10:30:09 AM »
He means any trainer who uses things other than hay and oats.
    I dont think so. I think he means alot more than that! ngc3

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2025, 10:35:50 AM »
I know exactly what he means but when I think of corrupt, I'm thinking more of what happens during the race itself, he's not.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2025, 10:41:51 AM »
I know exactly what he means but when I think of corrupt, I'm thinking more of what happens during the race itself, he's not.
    I'm fairly certain he's including drivers!   73cv.2

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2025, 10:48:14 AM »
And I dont think the sport today is nearly as corrupt as some imagine. I know multiple trainers and drivers that had to stop betting because they were losing their shirts. That would never happen with widespread corruption....

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2025, 10:53:09 AM »
And I dont think the sport today is nearly as corrupt as some imagine. I know multiple trainers and drivers that had to stop betting because they were losing their shirts. That would never happen with widespread corruption....

There aren't any decent pools to bet into. Corruption goes far beyond just betting. Aren't there still guys in federal prison for manufacturing, using and selling drugs???? Look what's happening with breeding farms? Look who holds the top positions at the USTA. What about the email I released two weeks ago from a NYSS trustee who was telling smaller breeders to sell their mares and they will be getting less breedings next year.
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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2025, 10:53:59 AM »
And I dont think the sport today is nearly as corrupt as some imagine. I know multiple trainers and drivers that had to stop betting because they were losing their shirts. That would never happen with widespread corruption....

I agree. As far as trainers gambling, that is nothing new, LOL. Being in this business my entire adult life, I know plenty of trainers. I can count on one hand those that are up on gambling. Most are broke-----or at least not financially successful, secure, etc.-----both from the business side and gambling. Drivers, different story, LOL.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2025, 10:54:31 AM »
They lose their shirt because they almost always think their horse can win and say it trained well during the week.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2025, 10:55:06 AM »
They lose their shirt because they almost always think their horse can win and say it trained well during the week.

Drinking the Kool-Aid, LOL.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2025, 10:56:54 AM »
I agree. As far as trainers gambling, that is nothing new, LOL. Being in this business my entire adult life, I know plenty of trainers. I can count on one hand those that are up on gambling. Most are broke-----or at least not financially successful, secure, etc.-----both from the business side and gambling. Drivers, different story, LOL.

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2025, 11:02:14 AM »
70% of harness racing is crooked. See on fines and suspensions Chris carrubba jr got nailed with needles, syringes and drug medication in barns. Guess his dad, uncle and aunt all taught him well. They were all horse drug using morons in their time. Chris petrelli got nailed again with a positive, what a shocker. He’s like trainer Sam smith, weighs 450 lbs and has to do something to keep the horses going, those 2 fat fucks can’t even bend over to ties their shoes !

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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2025, 11:04:59 AM »
70% of harness racing is crooked. See on fines and suspensions Chris carrubba jr got nailed with needles, syringes and drug medication in barns. Guess his dad, uncle and aunt all taught him well. They were all horse drug using morons in their time. Chris petrelli got nailed again with a positive, what a shocker. He’s like trainer Sam smith, weighs 450 lbs and has to do something to keep the horses going, those 2 fat fucks can’t even bend over to ties their shoes !

Ooooh, I want in on this one. I was told it wasn't illegal, the vet prescribed it, it was orally used and it's been more than 365 days since his last positive. That's what I was told after I talked about it here. So me being me said you did it, it's illegal. I need to change my last name.  ngc3
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Re: What percentage of harness races are corrupted?
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2025, 11:12:29 AM »
It’s all good until these scumbags get caught, then it’s always some excuse. They never ever learn ! Busted again !

 

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