Enough BS about the post times

[stanetelman]

Meadowlands 1st race listed post time: 6:20pm. Actual 1st race off time: 6:35pm
Mohawk 1st race listed post time: 6:30pm.  Actual 1st race off time: 6:44pm
 

[Jctoronto]

Pk 5 pool issues race 1 both places..the guarantee will D e e e e l a y

[stanetelman]

Pk 5 pool issues race 1 both places..the guarantee will D e e e e l a y

Exactly 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I get the complaints about delayed post times. I really do. I've been making my living in this game for close to 40 years. However, I think too many people take delayed post times and turn it into, "I bet a horse who was 7-1 when the gate opened, and by the time they crossed the finish line, he was 8-5." I am exaggerating to point to a scenario. If you are going to invest your money, do what you need to do to make your model work for you. Either do the work, sit by your screens, and bet when you are ready to, or wait until the last minute----or be an amatuer and bet during your lunch hour. Everyone plays to their part.

Part of this game is betting when the odds are the odds, and then you get what you get. Adapt, improvise, and invest accordingly. If you don't like it, you can either whine and keep betting, or take up mahjong. I don't mean to be an asshole. But, you can't do anything about the cards you are dealt.....but you are in complete control of how you play the hand. Whining doesn't change anything.

[luker2453]

Well stated.  If you are foolish enough to bet early on and not have any idea what the odds will be when the race goes off, you get what you deserve.  Wait until the last minute and at least get a semblance of what the real odds will be, it's that simple.  It is a different era with all of the computer generated wagering going on, either adapt, or be left in the dust!

[Papillon]

Well stated.  If you are foolish enough to bet early on and not have any idea what the odds will be when the race goes off, you get what you deserve. Wait until the last minute and at least get a semblance of what the real odds will be, it's that simple.  It is a different era with all of the computer generated wagering going on, either adapt, or be left in the dust!

those days are gone also

the odds you see when the gate is moving doesn't mean much these days

waiting until the last minute doesn't help you guess what Elite decides what the final odds will be

[Brown jug]

correct papillion
happens at mohawk a lot as well as big m
i know at both tracks when the last second is i can bet based on where the horses are in relation to the starting point
any later and i get shut out
yet the odds can change a fair bit from that point to the final odds

[gh2009]

If you are fortunate or unfortunate enough to live in either New Jersey or Colorado they have fixed odds wagering, so whenever you bet, whatever odds your horse is then are your final odds.

[Papillon]

If you are fortunate or unfortunate enough to live in either New Jersey or Colorado they have fixed odds wagering, so whenever you bet, whatever odds your horse is then are your final odds.

MonmouthBets is NJ's fixed odds site--they don't cover many tracks--mostly B and C  tbred tracks and as of 2023 M1 wasn't on the list

another problem MonmouthBets does is screw you over if there is a last minute scratch--you lose money even if your horse wins

one time there were two horses at 1-1 odds in a race--one of them was a gate scratch--i had a win bet on the other one hours earlier--so I was expecting about $2.60 or $2.40 to win for every $2

I received $1.40  TOTAL for a winning $2 bet-- the scratch created a minus pool(in their eyes) i called and they told me that's the way they do business even though the horse paid $2.80 in the final pool


so fixed odds wagering is not the answer

the old Betfair Exchange in NJ did it the right way--but charged 12% commission on your profits

not many places to turn to remain

[gh2009]

How can anybody charge you 12% commission on your profits, that's outrageous. Do they think they're doing you a favor by allowing you to wager on their site?

[Papillon]

How can anybody charge you 12% commission on your profits, that's outrageous. Do they think they're doing you a favor by allowing you to wager on their site?

most exchanges in Australia and The UK charge 5-6% on winnings

NJ added another 6% arbitrarily

you can also bet against(or short) any horse with the exchanges--MonmouthBets doesn't allow betting against a horse winning

[bestbetter]

Well stated.  If you are foolish enough to bet early on and not have any idea what the odds will be when the race goes off, you get what you deserve.  Wait until the last minute and at least get a semblance of what the real odds will be, it's that simple.  It is a different era with all of the computer generated wagering going on, either adapt, or be left in the dust!

I handicap the whole card. I play ex tri pk 3,4,5 etc.

[mwins]

i don't think people are talking about betting early, or being shut out.
Its more about the fact that M and WEG are deceiving the public, and lieing to their customers.
Run the races on time. People will adjust their betting accordingly. And it wont take 4.5-5 hours to run a race card.

The dead time at Mohawk last night was unreal.

[Dingus]

All I know is the 14th race at the BigM on Friday went off just before midnight.  Poor winning trainer probably stuck there until 1am.

[Brown jug]

as i said on another thread
mohawk first post scheduled to be 6.30
last race was done at 11.10
4.40 minutes for 11 races
 so much for getting home earlier