Karl

[Brown jug]

i am not following

[rainman2]

Karl will get a better group of mares than Sig Sauer therefore more likely to be a successful stallion. 20k is the number as was told to all of you weeks ago.

There have been quite a few stallions that got the best mares and produced very little.  I believe Prakas was one example many years ago.  Does anyone here know of big-name stallions that "failed" in the breeding shed?

[RANDOLPH POKER]

Ralph Hanover, Supergill, Six Pack, Lazarus N, Giant Victory, Betting Line, Sebastian K, Niatross, Nihilator, Mack Lobell, etc.

[SDST2009]

Ralph Hanover, Supergill, Six Pack, Lazarus N, Giant Victory, Betting Line, Sebastian K, Niatross, Nihilator, Mack Lobell, etc.

  and the list goes on and on.

[comeonman]

Hmmmm six pack ? Might have one hambo  favorite.s 2025...

[Lance]

The horse had 23 starts with 18 wins, 2 seconds and a third, made $2.4 Million, won the Hambo and a Breeders Crown. He's by Tactical Landing ($25K stud fee).  This is an elite, premium horse. Who know how he will turn out but he'll have no problem filling the first few book at $20k.

[Kenny]

and the list goes on and on.

Ralph Hanover won a lot of races but was never very impressive.

[SDST2009]

The horse had 23 starts with 18 wins, 2 seconds and a third, made $2.4 Million, won the Hambo and a Breeders Crown. He's by Tactical Landing ($25K stud fee).  This is an elite, premium horse. Who know how he will turn out but he'll have no problem filling the first few book at $20k.

May not be a popular opinion but I also find Tactical Landing too high fee-wise, and overhyped.

I know the better group of them sold in Lexington, but take a look at the averages for Harrisburg. Tactical Landing was lower than Greenshoe, which is mindboggling. Maybe it is just a blip, but taking into consideration they just raised his stud fee $10k (and lowered Greenshoe's $17K), it's not the best look.

I am not saying he's not a good sire - he is - but there's also a shit ton of them. Look where he falls on average earnings for 2 and 3yos YTD. Not in top 5 for either. And that is with a Hambo winner.

[The Answer]

Tactical Landing isn’t a high percentage sire but he does sire the home run horse. He has never gotten the best book of mares and probably never will. He has also done it without two of the best trotting stables. Ake and Melander don’t buy them. Not sure why must be some bad blood among the owners.

[Call Sign Merlin]

All the Tacticals we have had we like early and then they fall apart when you try to really gear them up.  Really hard to keep sound

[Chips N Salsa]

The horse had 23 starts with 18 wins, 2 seconds and a third, made $2.4 Million, won the Hambo and a Breeders Crown. He's by Tactical Landing ($25K stud fee).  This is an elite, premium horse. Who know how he will turn out but he'll have no problem filling the first few book at $20k.

LOL - he has zero chance to fill a book at 20K

[RANDOLPH POKER]

http://stars.ustrotting.com/stallion.cfm?stallion_id=1009

[The Unstable]

The horse had 23 starts with 18 wins, 2 seconds and a third, made $2.4 Million, won the Hambo and a Breeders Crown. He's by Tactical Landing ($25K stud fee).  This is an elite, premium horse. Who know how he will turn out but he'll have no problem filling the first few book at $20k.

His page is below average for a top trotter. Plus he’s showed lameness throughout his career. Plus trains by Jimmy. No way I would pay 20k to breed

[Grandstand Handicapper]

As far as the syndication goes, they will not sell all the shares in the syndication. But they will announce that the shares are sold out. Shockingly, in year two, there will be seasons available. I wonder how that is going to happen. As far as his book, they will announce very quickly that his book is full and closed. However, call the farm, ask them if a season is available, and while they may ask questions about your mare, a season will be available. Alternatively, call a quality, respected bloodstock agent and he/she will have you a breeding in 24 hours.

As far as his stud fee, as I had said, this is what they had to do. Artificially set high. Remember, the opinion of people here doesn't count for $h!t. Nobody from here is a commercial breeder, and it's highly unlikely anyone from this sit is breeding a mare to Karl. This is not about backyard breeders or people who breed to race. It's a commercial breeders marketplace that makes a stallion. Commercial breeders are not looking at a fact sheet and be impressed that Karl won 18 of 23 with 2 seconds and a third. They are not going to care that he won $1m in back to back seasons. Commercial breeders have experts working for them and they know what they saw on the track. They saw what Karl did on the track----a visually very dominant 2yo who was heads and shoulders above the entire class, except for one other colt, and more importantly, they saw what he did and how he did it as a 3yo, and how he regressed throughout the year and what happened when the rest of a fair at best crop grew up a bit, got better, and caught up to Karl.

I take nothing away from what he's accomplished as a 2yo, but as a 3yo, no offense, he looked like just a horse. He got lucky winning the Hambo. He wasn't the best colt in that race. He got beat by just a horse after that. In the KY Futurity he showed what he is relative to the rest of the field/crop. Take the Hambo away and you're looking at what? What he did on the track and how he did it, and the rest of the crop. Stats don't make stallions. Neither does propaganda. They are going to protect him as much as they can, promote him, give quiet discounts where they can, breed a lot of their own, make deals, ---and they are going to hope he has some success.

[pocketrocketwinner]

It's amazing that so many people criticize gingras for winning races on the front end but as soon as he wins a big one from the off the pace, it was a "lucky" win