Karl

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Is there a second person who would put Karl on the GOAT list? I really can't imagine it.

[Foalin at 4]

Is there a second person who would put Karl on the GOAT list? I really can't imagine it.

 

  Crickets!

[JT]

IMO,

Over the years, many trainers were not concerned about the Little Brown Jug as a priority on their agendas.  A 1–2-mile track, decreasing purses, and heat racing were perhaps 'valid reasons' in their thought processes.

I don't think purse has much to do with it.. I think the jug final was 525000 this year. I think the only races with a bigger purse are the Meadowlands Pace, NA Cup and breeders crown. It's 2 heats and the fear of drawing outside. Let's say SBSW raced in Delaware and drew the 8 hole. Just to qualify for the final would have taken alot out of him.. even a horse that great.  And then come back an hour or 2 later and race again. I've seen it many times even with jug winners where that takes to much out of a horse and they are cooked the rest of the year.

[Lance]

IMO,

Over the years, many trainers were not concerned about the Little Brown Jug as a priority on their agendas.  A 1–2-mile track, decreasing purses, and heat racing were perhaps 'valid reasons' in their thought processes.

For SBSW I think it was more timing as he raced heats the same day on a 1/2 in the Confederation Cup.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

https://www.ustrotting.com/assets/pdf/3CPGC.pdf?v=20240926

[JT]

https://www.ustrotting.com/assets/pdf/3CPGC.pdf?v=20240926

Not sure how accurate that is Grandstand
 It lists the LBJ as a million and they only did that last year. Total purse this year was 625,000.. 2 50,000 eliminations and 525,000 final

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Not sure how accurate that is Grandstand
 It lists the LBJ as a million and they only did that last year. Total purse this year was 625,000.. 2 50,000 eliminations and 525,000 final

Have no idea. It's just what they published for this year. Take it with a mountain of salt! LOL.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't question how connections manage their horses. I just watch the horse on the track and I watch how they manage the horse. No judgment. You draw your own conclusions. People who don't put up capital can't put themselves in the shoes of those who do. It's hypothetical. Nobody who is qualified, who knows what they are looking at, who knows anything about horses, would look at what races SBSW raced in order to reconcile whether he was a great horse or not.

Remember, there's at least one top 3yo every year. Very, very few make it onto a GOAT list.

Sorry, I forgot.....this was about Karl.

[rainman2]

Many years ago a very smart horseman told me.  “Speed can come from anywhere but soundness is bred in.  “

Agreed!  Go to the pacing side of the ledger and Big Towner!

[kooter for hipin]

lets all be honest the only reason sbsw lost the meds pace is paul macdonel.worst trip since titanic.my question is how good was sbsw to carry that anchor around and only lose once

   

   

 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

lets all be honest the only reason sbsw lost the meds pace is paul macdonel.worst trip since titanic.my question is how good was sbsw to carry that anchor around and only lose once

Like him or not, you just can't really deny that.       LOL

[seen2much]

UH-OH!!!

[seen2much]

Value is sinking as he loses third in a row. Only gets into the final because Kismet broke.

[Laag]

he was terrible tonight but if overrated kismet didnt break and interfere with him he was going to make the final as 4th at worst

[TimTimTimbo]

Not that I would if I had money but I would send a mare to Tactical Approach before I send one to Karl, if comparing the two of them


TA is out of a Donato Hanover mare, and he is a bigger stronger-built horse.

Having said that, I would go to Walner before anything else period.