the gambler is to blame

[Any1Left]

 Every gambler i know wants change but does not get involved,,,,,,,,,,Many are scared of the WEG dictatorship and dont want a Chad Rozema time out ,,,,,,everyone is scared and hopes the feds get involved and that is not going to happen,,,,,,The gamblers that are left wont speak up,,,,, If they have not spoken up by now the just wont and racing will get worse as it is hard to believe but it will get worse........ i ind it unbelievable that people still bet on track with WEG as the rebates are the worst in north America by a mile............ The few players left in Ontario do not bet at the track with a max level of 3 percent if you bet 15000 a week and a 1/2 percent if you bet 1500 anything less and you get zero. Keep doing nothing and hope for change a formula that never works,,,

[mwins]

They dont need regular gamblers. They have CAW groups driving the handle.

[Papillon]

Every gambler i know wants change but does not get involved,,,,,,,,,,Many are scared of the WEG dictatorship and dont want a Chad Rozema time out ,,,,,,everyone is scared and hopes the feds get involved and that is not going to happen,,,,,,The gamblers that are left wont speak up,,,,, If they have not spoken up by now the just wont and racing will get worse as it is hard to believe but it will get worse........ i ind it unbelievable that people still bet on track with WEG as the rebates are the worst in north America by a mile............ The few players left in Ontario do not bet at the track with a max level of 3 percent if you bet 15000 a week and a 1/2 percent if you bet 1500 anything less and you get zero. Keep doing nothing and hope for change a formula that never works,,,

Twinspires and Xpressbet here in the US provide a 9% rebate or higher for their top tier bettors

[Dingus]

Be glad if you’re not in NJ, because the only game allowed is 4NJBETS, and the rebate is 0.2%

[Any1Left]

the handle is elite turf club based as many high limit players are broke or dead or even quit,,,,,,,,,Remember that Dana Parham who made a fortune along with other groups dont play,,,,,,, Their objective was to extract overlays by betting in the last second after all bets were in,,,,,,,, Today almost every race the horse that leaves best drops huge in odds and its not every day players doing this,,,,,,, some group can bet a little later and that is edge play,,,,,,Casinos bar edge play but the racetrack does not care as its not them that gets hurt, Its us the bettors.

[Papillon]

the handle is elite turf club based as many high limit players are broke or dead or even quit,,,,,,,,,Remember that Dana Parham who made a fortune along with other groups dont play,,,,,,, Their objective was to extract overlays by betting in the last second after all bets were in,,,,,,,, Today almost every race the horse that leaves best drops huge in odds and its not every day players doing this,,,,,,, some group can bet a little later and that is edge play,,,,,,Casinos bar edge play but the racetrack does not care as its not them that gets hurt, Its us the bettors.

this is 100% correct-they are allowed to bet after they see who blasted to gate and who lags behind

[Any1Left]

PAP can you imagine playing poker and getting the button every time,,,,, how could you lose if you get to see all action and then make a play,,,, what a edge. racetrack just cares about handle and not how it shows up,,,,,,,Can you imagine call betting i they were booking the action as a 2/5 horse is off stride and you could still bet,,,,,How was this shit ever allowed and truth is i made scores off that BS,,,,,,

[Any1Left]

Thank you for what i already knew but did not realize how few real gamblers have interest in this boring product,,,,,,,,,90 percent of the players in horse racing started off by family members taking them first time and that does not happen today and we all have the same story of dads that were horrible gamblers who bet no figures WPS a bet that should of taken 12 minutes to know was stupid as the place and show buttons dont exist to me,,,,,,THE USTA and other will meet in florida or Arizona and celebrate a poor job,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its GROUND HOG day every day in racing,,,,,,,,the breeders and crooked vets and trainers and super crooked execs will walk away and blame the other,,,,,,,,,I do enjoy papilion and counsler and f ew others and i do not understand the  insane hatred by horsemen for JEFF GURAL as he is the only person talking reality and has done some good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i also like RAINMAN 2 as he has 10000 posts on a horse racing site and not one is interesting but it shows me that FELIX UNGER REALLY DOES EXIST,,,,,,,,, i am not a fan these days and at one time i traveled everywhere to watch this sport i u can call it that,,,,