Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)

[COME ON MAN]

Taylor should give his mother some of the BB3, piece of garbage that he is

[MR.DALRAE]

Now he is trying to put the horses in his son in laws name

[Ruffolo Buster]

Nick Surick already turned him down.   He wanted nothing to do with the MF.

[TimTimTimbo]

You moron. He actually admitted to ordering and paying for it. The question is whether it was EPO. The product was called BB3. Apparently it was Fishman's self manufactured EPO.

I didn't know he admitted it. OK, Fuck him

[bond]

You moron. He actually admitted to ordering and paying for it. The question is whether it was EPO. The product was called BB3. Apparently it was Fishman's self manufactured EPO.

That question was already answered Mike. BB3 was determined by FBI to be an EPO mimetic-which if you read the rules-is a Class1 positive-so for all intents and purposes-its classified as the same as EPO. In some racing jurisdictions--its an automatic life suspension.
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Im actually amazed Howard Taylor opened a can of worms and sued Gural.

[hoosierboy]

That question was already answered Mike. BB3 was determined by FBI to be an EPO mimetic-which if you read the rules-is a Class1 positive-so for all intents and purposes-its classified as the same as EPO. In some racing jurisdictions--its an automatic life suspension. It also wasnt as if this was a one time deal--it was ordered on numerous occasions--so many horses would have been administered this stuff.
Im actually amazed Howard Taylor opened a can of worms and sued Gural.

Because howard thinks he is above the law.  Fuck he represents all of the cheats in the business and get them off or way reduced sentence so why not use the same tactics to get himself off and cheat the business

[kooter for hipin]

CORRECT! 

Absolutely!   

[EddieZ]

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[Ramnap]

https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru052624.pdf

Meadowlands owner Jeff Gural served notice this week that the
track will not accept entries for horses owned in partnership
with Judy Taylor, the mother of Howard Taylor, and that her
interests must be divested by June 1.

The move puts some of the best 3-year-olds back into limbo.
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The question I have is this going too far or not?

This certainly creates a shitfest for the partners of Taylor who are being penalized.

Overall, I think we can all agree with Gural in trying to clean up the industry but is this going too far?.  People like Taylor have spent millions of dollars in purchases, and it has a ripple down affect.  Gural apparently has the right to exclude whoever, but it also looks like there is a lot more animosity than these so-called drugs being purchased by an owner.

Seriously? He invested millions because he knew it was a fixed game. He was in on the fix and there's proof of it from him buying the EPO. The millions he invested is contributing to the downfall of harness racing. The old farmers that raced the family horses that kept these tracks going aren't around anymore to save it. The evolution of the sport is destroying itself and we all know it and we all see it. We all saw what happened to dog racing once fewer and fewer owners and trainers were involved. My last trip to the dog track had under 20 people in the grandstand all nine races were competed by the same two trainers they both had truckloads of dogs. And then later that year it was banned and made illegal. There was nothing in the news about all the failed drug tests and breakdowns lead weights funneled down their throats to slow em down.

[ferdinand the bull]

Ontario has no issue allowing Howard Taylor to race as many as he wants to send up north to race

[Harness racer]

DE and PA also welcome him.  They have no conscience! 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Precursor, like many people in the industry, I know Gural. Long before he took over the Meadowlands. We are not friends. We've both been in the game a long time, I've seen him at numerous tracks, the sales, Harrisburg, Lexington, and so on. I had breakfast with him once and dinner once, and both were circumstantial, not planned. That's it. We are not friends. So, my take, Gural has done more than anyone else to clean up the sport and the industry. Period. If you don't believe that, please, if for whatever reason I forget, please remind me not to respond to you. Thanks.  Gural has done a great deal and has given tremendous service to this sport and industry. Right up front, I don't give a damn about his motives, he wants a casino, all the other defections and aspersions, ad BS. He has personally contributed to major, industry-wide investigations, cases, indictments, and so on.

However, and I have said this from day one, moment one.....I do not agree with his lack of a universal standard for barring people. Consistency is certainly not a word that would be used to describe his actions. Lack of, yes. I view this as a major fault. I have seen him at the track, at several events, etc. However, none have been the proper or appropriate forum to question him on this. I have emailed him on this specific subject, not with a calling him out approach, but I did make my points very clear and explicitly asked the question. I received a lengthy, detailed reply. He provided a great deal of information. He brought up some valid points. He went into some specifics. However, none of which resolved what I proposed was a problem. That's OK. I saw Gural at a sale about a month later and he approached me, was pleasant, polite, and treated me the same way he always has going back to when I first met him around 35 years ago.

So while I don't like what may appear to be a pick and choose on who can play and who can't, that doesn't negate everything else that's taken place. It's not perfect. It's not yet ideal. Even ideal is not consistent. People can say this started out, or perhaps became personal. Of course. These two guys were taking jabs at each other back in 2017 on some issues. But the issue, is still the issue. Track ownership may want one thing. The race office may want something else. Throw out a cheating trainer and in no time you will have 3 to 5 more replace him, and you'll have horses from 3 to 5 barns, not one. Everyone said the industry would not survive Brooks being thrown out if his brother wasn't allowed to buy the horses and continue the operation. Brooks had far more horses than Taylor. Simply put.....no one person or operation is bigger than the sport or industry. If one gets to be.....then you have a far bigger problem than the one.

[COUNSELOR]

THE INDUSTRY NEEDS AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY NON-INFLUENCED MANAGEMENT GROUP TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE INDUSTRY.   THE POLITICS INVOLVED IN THIS SPORT IS HORRENDOUS AND IT HAS RUINED EVERTHING FOR THOSE WHO EVEN DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY.   THE TRUTH, THE INDUSTRY FROM THE USTA TO THE COMMISSIONS TO THE TRACKS AND OWNERS OF TRACKS NEED THE OUTSIDE 3RD PART CZAR TO RUN THIS BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY AND TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES PROPERLY AND FAIRLY TO BENEFIT EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY----RICH OR POOR---TRAINER OR DRIVER OR GROOM OR BREEDER  OR TRACK OFFICIAL, ETC.   

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPORT THAT IS DONE FOR EVERYONE.  MY GOD,  I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.  THE INDUSTRY HAS LOST SO MANY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT COMPETE HONESTLY.  THEY CANNOT BUY THE PROPER FOOD, EQUIPMENT, EMPLOYEES, ETC.   

THIS IS TH PLAYGROUND OF THE RICH AND THE INDUSTRY CANNOT AND WILL NOT SURVIVE AS IT IS TODAY!!!!   TERRIBLE AS THE IDUSTRY COULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR SO MANY IF ONLY RUN FAIRLY AND TO BENEFIT ALL EQUALLY   

[dinkadoo]

This whole is playing out how Churchill Downs excluded Bob Baffert for the last couple of years including the Kentucky Derby.. Which this last Derby, Baffert would have had the probably favorite Muth....   They could have switched trainers but the owners decided to stick by Baffert... Opted to run in the Preakness, but then spiked a fever and was scratched.

[jupiter]

Eddie Z you're still a moron, will never change, scum.