some of you people are f##ked up !

[brownmoose13]

The 2 dumbest things hear on this forum regularly

1) Punish the owners for a trainers transgression.
Why would I own horses if this was done? Instead, make the trainer change real. Maybe a different training center as a must.

2) The game is dead.
Really? M does 3 mil a night, Mohawk 2 mil.
The game isn't dead. Some of you guys just can't accept that it has changed. Get over it.

Forgot to add , if what I suggest is one of the dumbest things you hear, lets here your suggestion to help clean up the business or are you like most that likes to take shots from the grandstand rather than get your nose bloodied. I, along with others await your solution but for me I am not holding my breath

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Everyone understands that it's not just one fix that is going to solve this problem.

[Open bridle]

No it doesn't. It can't be the only thing. I agree, regulatory overhaul, action, and having it universal is first and foremost. I do think owner accountability is necessary when owners are duplicitous.

To me if you hire a trainer he becomes your agent/ employee for whatever happens good or bad. Same as you hire someone to drive your truck and he becomes a bad driver and causes an accident. You as an owner are responsible also.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

To me if you hire a trainer he becomes your agent for whatever happens good or bad. Same as you hire someone to drive your truck and he causes an accident you as an owner is responsible.

Tough sell for me. Is this the equivalent of an "owner responsibility rule?" Complete and unconditional liability? Very tough sell. In your example, if I hire someone to drive...I am not letting them drive my truck. I am hiring them and their truck. They become responsible even though they were doing paid work for me. I have liability protection. You buy something from me. I hire fed ex to deliver it to you...I am not liable for that fed ex driver or truck. Regardless, complete and unconditional liability, you are putting me in the same position as an owner who purchased illegal meds, drugs, etc., and that is not fair in my opinion. I just can't see this flying without some differentiation and balance. A lot of innocent people can be immediately and conclusively guilty.

[Mailbox Money]

If YOU don't want to be suspended as an owner,then do the homework and then make a decision on what trainer to use. The problem is that most guys are placing horses with the guys who are defying the laws of averages. The barns with 20 or more cannot obey the rules and keep a .375 or .400 average with out the nefarious activity! Like y'alls Momma said "If something looks to good to be true,it probably is!" 

[mwins]

Forgot to add , if what I suggest is one of the dumbest things you hear, lets here your suggestion to help clean up the business or are you like most that likes to take shots from the grandstand rather than get your nose bloodied. I, along with others await your solution but for me I am not holding my breath

From what I see, if a horse must be transferred due to a positive, trainer changes must be "approved" by the judges.

Maybe we should have judges with balls who say "No, a transfer from Ron to Mickey is nit acceptable." Let's start there.

[SeattleSlew]

I been posting here for a while and I enjoy when someone post something informative about harness racing past or present. I take this forum for what's it worth. I skip over personal attacks and negative comments. If that's what some people are into go right ahead. It's a free country. But that's not for me and I'm not here to judge other people. Harness racing has been a favorite past time of mine for many years as a fan and owner.  And I will use this forum only as a place to add to that enjoyment.

[ROOSTER COGBURN]

The controversial posts about who's banging whom is interesting and the main attraction here at plops. Without the controversy plops would be a place that would be akin to a place you could come to to watch paint peel.

The controversial stuff is the gravy if you will of the Plop Thanksgiving day dinner.

It is pretty funny that XYZ gets kicked out of here shortly after its learned Nicoles pregnant, Joey's moving west and XYZ's wife asked him to move out.  Cause if you read his last threads here nothing was bad or really off color. And he didn't spam the board near as much as others. Total Bullshit! ADMIN got a call so you know who they're aligned with, maybe check the Bobby Bon Bon BK List again.

[rainman2]

The 2 dumbest things hear on this forum regularly

1) Punish the owners for a trainers transgression.
Why would I own horses if this was done? Instead, make the trainer change real. Maybe a different training center as a must.

2) The game is dead.
Really? M does 3 mil a night, Mohawk 2 mil.
The game isn't dead. Some of you guys just can't accept that it has changed. Get over it.

All owners have to deal with a trainer’s positives for bute and the like. The name of the game. As far as a major positive, you better discuss this with your trainer and draw your own conclusions.

As far as the 3 million—is it all real money from the harness racing fan base or computer algorithms, etc.??

[rainman2]

Question of the day—how many owners actually go to the barn and see their horse(s) and chat with their trainer?
3 out of 10??
5 out of 10??
8 out of 10??

[mwins]

All owners have to deal with a trainer’s positives for bute and the like. The name of the game. As far as a major positive, you better discuss this with your trainer and draw your own conclusions.

As far as the 3 million—is it all real money from the harness racing fan base or computer

The track doesnt care who is betting, just how much.

[Oliver Clozoff]

Is this really the place to attack people. Why not just post factual stuff. Talk about racing, training, horse care, track conditions, overnights, stake races. I could careless less if Nicole is pregnant (if true), who's banging who, who is charging sexual harassment, etc. I got to tell you this SCM debacle and the attack on him and his family is ruining the harness game. Mark Ford, Joe Faraldo, David Yarock and many others. From what I read Harness Racing is just one big Cartel. You wonder why you can't get the younger generation involved. The people (9 of 10) that I try to introduce to this business say its rigged. There's definitely rotten eggs in every game/sport/business. But if you tune into these threads (horseplop) everyone has a hand in the cookie jar in some way.
Just my opinion to the moderator: Don't kick anyone out. Just take down their offensive or nonsense post. PERIOD!

I heard this guy searches for teenage boys on tinder.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

From what I see, if a horse must be transferred due to a positive, trainer changes must be "approved" by the judges.

Maybe we should have judges with balls who say "No, a transfer from Ron to Mickey is nit acceptable." Let's start there.

A program change from Ron to Mickey is not a transfer. This has been the trainers suspension rule from the beginning. Back in the old days when it said "Stable: William Haughton, Trainer: Alfred Thomas" -- if there was a positive test, Apples took the hit, another trainer was listed, and the horse stayed in the barn. Been that way from the old days straight through the Meadowlands -- Greg Wright, the Remmen's, Doherty, Webster, Gagliardi, Silverman, all the major stables were listed in the program this way. If you want to make a dent in this, then you have to suspend the "head" trainer and put the entire operation out of business for the term of the suspension.