Diet/Nutrition

[Balmoral buzz]

What does hormones have to do with nutrition?

You mean what does nutrition have to do with EPO?  You can feed your horse Kraft macaroni and cheese if you have the good EPO and it wouldn’t matter. It’s all about the good drugs today my friend. No need to worry about nutrition.

[SeattleSlew]

I've always enjoyed studying nutrition and have applied some of the techniques to my horses and I’ve had pretty good success especially with two and three-year-olds that have not been contaminated with drugs from other trainers.

Example: Oats/oatmeal is loaded with Melatonin and the amino acid Tryptophan that makes one sleepy/tired so it never made any sense to me feeding my horses oats before a race or a workout/training. 

I always fed them oats with sweet feed for lunch/dinner or after a race.

The problem with oats/oatmeal, melatonin, tryptophan on a regular basis is that it can artificially alter your natural circadian rhythm after several weeks or months which is not exactly on a 24 hour cycle for most. Circadian rhythms doesn't just affect sleep cycles it also affects hormone secretions along with other bodily functions.


My horses breakfast would include buckwheat/Kasha, corn and steamed crimped barley.

I'm interested what you guys feed your horses?

For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance.  It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format.  When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.)  Certainly worth a try and easily available!  We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg.  fwiw

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/

[Gaagoots]

For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance.  It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format.  When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.)  Certainly worth a try and easily available!  We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg.  fwiw

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/

That's interesting! Definitely going to look into that thank you Seattle!

[Dingus]

For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance.  It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format.  When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.)  Certainly worth a try and easily available!  We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg.  fwiw

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/

Interesting info.  You have a link to the product form of choice?  I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html

[7minuteAbz]

Omega 3 and 6

[Gaagoots]

Omega 3 and 6

Definitely! Also fish works great on heel cracks. Squeeze some fish oil in a heel crack nothing works better. Throw all that other shit in the garbage.

[Gaagoots]

Interesting info.  You have a link to the product form of choice?  I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html

Thanks Dingus! Derived from wheat germ interesting.

[7minuteAbz]

Red Cell as a feed topping, but they seem to like Hemotonic better because of the cherry flavor.

[Gaagoots]

Red Cell as a feed topping, but they seem to like Hemotonic better because of the cherry flavor.

I think a combination of B12 and iron 50/50 works better. I agree Red Cell can't hurt.

[Gaagoots]

You mean what does nutrition have to do with EPO?  You can feed your horse Kraft macaroni and cheese if you have the good EPO and it wouldn’t matter. It’s all about the good drugs today my friend. No need to worry about nutrition.

I hear ya on the EPO but you're wrong about nutrition. Nutrition has everything to do with it. You have to have a horse to start with don't you.

[Harness racer]

You need to get your hero Mark on a better diet!      

[SeattleSlew]

Interesting info.  You have a link to the product form of choice?  I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html

The last time we used it the only way it was available was in an oil form (Viobin and others).  I see that this has become more popular and is now available in the powdered form.  Not sure if the dosing would be the same, however, YES...this is the stuff, and it WORKS.

[Gaagoots]

The last time we used it the only way it was available was in an oil form (Viobin and others).  I see that this has become more popular and is now available in the powdered form.  Not sure if the dosing would be the same, however, YES...this is the stuff, and it WORKS.

That’s interesting I think I like the oil base Viobin. Either way I would never feed oats prior to exercise.

[Mazola]

Pete is probably injecting protein as well.

[Lance]

Interesting topic but wrong forum. Most of the jerk offs and degenerates on here could tell the difference between a horse and a donkey. They wouldn't know which end to feed.