CON-federate vs. Bythemissal TVG pace November 25th!

[Jackie Mo]

Precious Bunny was a much better horse than Confederate. He could leave the switch as fast as anything.

His blasting the gate from post #6 in his Jug elim was memorable to say the least

He had a brilliant season

[Bitter Truth]

 New surface and pylons first time that year. Can still hear 'OUR BUDDY'S' call. "Fast out the gate to get to the hubless rail, Precious Bunny by three." Sorry about your luck Richie Silverman and Die Laughing off the rail.

[Jackie Mo]

Fun Fact

Precious Bunny was the first horse to pace a sub 1:50 mile at night

M1 Pace 1991

[Brown jug]

please enough talk about precious bunny, you are embarrassing yourselves
nice horse but we know why

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

please enough talk about precious bunny, you are embarrassing yourselves
nice horse but we know why

Art Stafford must be kicking himself for selling him as a 2 year old but maybe he never becomes what he did with him. Who knows??

[Anakin]

A few clarifying points on these figures. These are substantially off because you are presuming 100% live foal rate, when in reality these are more likely in the 70% range. In addition, Diamond Creek will undoubtedly breed their own mares to Confederate, further reducing the income from stud fees in North America.

What will likely more than offset the reduced income from North America is I believe they will make Confederate a dual hemisphere stallion. The income this will generate will be substantial as there is no limit on how many breedings a stallion can do Down Under.

So, while your projections are not correct for North America, your conclusion on the economics justifying retiring Confederate now are certainly correct.

Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, but he will get 140 stud fees of $20,000 (or the equivalent from purchase of shares in the syndicate if/when one is done) for $2,800,000 for 2024, 2025 and 2026 (by which time people will start to get a flavor of his success as a sire, thus increasing/decreasing/steadying that stud fee and income.)  That is $8.4mm guaranteed income.  While as an owner and super fan I would love to see him race at 4, the economics are just too compelling for them to take the chance that he has a "flat" season and damages his future income stream.  Also, even if he were successful he is unlikely to earn half of his stud fees for 2024 and is also unlikely to enhance his stud fees going forward, so the decision to put him on the bench, while not admirable, is totally understandable.

[Brown jug]

mike, i think we /you know the answer to that question  on precious bunny

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

mike, i think we /you know the answer to that question  on precious bunny

Yes I do but it is the holiday season and I need to be nicer. LOL

[Bitter Truth]

 Wasn't there some weird dude who dressed up with bunny ears that year?

[Bernie Madoff]

Peter Cottontail.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Peter Cottontail.

[Calhoun]

What will likely more than offset the reduced income from North America is I believe they will make Confederate a dual hemisphere stallion. The income this will generate will be substantial as there is no limit on how many breedings a stallion can do Down Under.

Do they have to ship the horse to Aus/NZ? 

Or just the gook?

[Anakin]

No requirement to ship the horse, but he will breed to a lot more mares using live "gook."

Do they have to ship the horse to Aus/NZ? 

Or just the gook?