CON-federate is back in Matron stakes!

[Laag]

Confederate jiggity jogs

he will win the TVG with a late rush. Remember Ruthless Hanover is coming back for this. He and Tattoo will burn themselves out

[wizardofoz]

He has to leave, tuck and then 1/4 move the horse to the lead by the 1/2 mile pole.

As was a textbook drive to win.

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When and where is the Fan Dual..TVG..race coming up?

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Confederate won't need excuses racing against older horses. Remember, he is not racing against older horses for or to appease the fans. He's doing it for the breeders and yearling buyers. Period. You want to attract top quality mares and sell big money foals -- exclude foals and see what happens.

Same with Captaintreacherou s (who as an aside they even gave an abbreviated 4yo campaign).

[Stan durbread]

Confederate won't need excuses racing against older horses. Remember, he is not racing against older horses for or to appease the fans. He's doing it for the breeders and yearling buyers. Period. You want to attract top quality mares and sell big money foals -- exclude foals and see what happens.

Same with Captaintreacherou s (who as an aside they even gave an abbreviated 4yo campaign).

Racing in the Fan Duel will not make his foals eligible to M1 stake races   And the buyers don’t care.

[wizardofoz]

When and where is the Fan Dual..TVG..race coming up?

2 weeks from tomorrow night at the Meadowlands.   https://playmeadowlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/FANDUEL-FFA-CHAMPIONSHIP-PACE-may.pdf   He has an invite.  Races: The FanDuel Pace, FanDuel Trot, FanDuel Mare Trot, FanDuel Mare Pace, Valley Victory, Three Diamonds, Governor’s Cup & Goldsmith Maid.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Racing in the Fan Duel will not make his foals eligible to M1 stake races   And the buyers don’t care.

An injury would. 🤔

And the buyers absolutely care. Go to the sales and ask the buyers -- look at a big ticket yearling and find our he's not eligible for X, Y, or Z. It's business. Buy a $200,000 yearling without a major sire stakes program, and you ain't buying him for a late closer. These are grand circuit purchases (hopefully, LOL).

[Stan durbread]

An injury would. 🤔

And the buyers absolutely care. Go to the sales and ask the buyers -- look at a big ticket yearling and find our he's not eligible for X, Y, or Z. It's business. Buy a $200,000 yearling without a major sire stakes program, and you ain't buying him for a late closer. These are grand circuit purchases (hopefully, LOL).

What races do you think it disqualifies you for?  Only 1 as a 3yr old pacer

[Stan durbread]

Downbytheseaaide doing just fine without M1 stakes.  So did Greenshoe first 2 crops

[hoosierboy]

An injury would. 🤔

And the buyers absolutely care. Go to the sales and ask the buyers -- look at a big ticket yearling and find our he's not eligible for X, Y, or Z. It's business. Buy a $200,000 yearling without a major sire stakes program, and you ain't buying him for a late closer. These are grand circuit purchases (hopefully, LOL).

The horse is standing in PA they have a huge sire stake program.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Downbytheseaaide doing just fine without M1 stakes.  So did Greenshoe first 2 crops

And that's a marquee race for a stallion prospect. You don't make a stallion to do just fine and lose out on a marquee race. It ain't what it used to be, but that's a race that makes a stallion. If you aren't a commercial breeder it's all Greek.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

The horse is standing in PA they have a huge sire stake program.

You're kidding, right? A breeder wants to sell 200 and 300k yearlings, and the people who buy them are looking at sire stakes. Sire stakes is a fall-back position, it's an out, for a horse that is not top of the class.

[Stan durbread]

You're kidding, right? A breeder wants to sell 200 and 300k yearlings, and the people who buy them are looking at sire stakes. Sire stakes is a fall-back position, it's an out, for a horse that is not top of the class.

Name 1 stallion that the Gural rule has hurt. I can’t think of any. Looks like you right no one paying big money for the TDS offspring

[wizardofoz]

CON-federate did not really get challenged by his 3 year old crop.  In the TVG he will be pushed to the limit by the faster older horses.

[Stan durbread]

Fan Duel is a no lose situation. If he wins it elevates him to one of the best 3yr olds. If he loses it took older horses to beat him and he still has his WR and a pretty nice season behind him. I know they used the other horse for a rabbit but no other horse has been able to move their legs that fast. Even after big 3/4 times