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Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« on: October 20, 2023, 07:39:07 AM »
...catch driver in history? Try to support your answer with facts as well as your opinions.

For me, I'd say Tony Morgan has quite the career statistics.
17,000+ wins with over $140m in earnings. Champion driver in multiple states (IL, DE, at minimum). There's always been the understanding he's 1 of the best all-around horsemen too, but his dash victories and earnings should have him enshrined in Goshen already IMO.
Your pick?

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2023, 09:32:55 AM »
Harold Kelly. Such a gentleman who gave everything he had without any fanfare. He wasn’t much of a traveler and didn’t race on Sundays. He didn’t say too much but had excellent hands that spoke for him. Hard to argue against Tony Morgan so I won’t but let’s not forget that Harold Kelly had a very solid career.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2023, 09:57:58 AM »
Wally Hennessey - 11,500 wins in 45, 500 . No one else in the 10000+ plus club even approaches that. Next to Herve and Tetrick, he is probably the most "complete" driver I have ever seen. Can drive anything vs anyone, anywhere at anytime. Lifetime UDRS and win percentage is staggering!

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2023, 12:44:50 PM »
Wally Hennessey - 11,500 wins in 45, 500 . No one else in the 10000+ plus club even approaches that. Next to Herve and Tetrick, he is probably the most "complete" driver I have ever seen. Can drive anything vs anyone, anywhere at anytime. Lifetime UDRS and win percentage is staggering!

Herve could drive at a top level one a two turn track?

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2023, 01:34:00 PM »
Wally Hennessey - 11,500 wins in 45, 500 . No one else in the 10000+ plus club even approaches that. Next to Herve and Tetrick, he is probably the most "complete" driver I have ever seen. Can drive anything vs anyone, anywhere at anytime. Lifetime UDRS and win percentage is staggering!
Obviously you can add Miller, Campbell and LaChance to the "complete" list, but underrated - Hennessey!

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2023, 04:25:13 PM »
Carmine he was a top-rated catch driver before any other driver thought about it.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2023, 04:41:47 PM »
I love you Remington but how can Carmine be underrated if you call him "top rated" as he was. He was the prototype. the originator of catch driving. I don't think Carmine was under appreciated. he was flash and glitz personified. I would say he and haughton had their "colors" emulated more than any 2 drivers ever.....I always figured underrated meant, guys who were better than we realized, their skill set somewhat under appreciated and so forth. I don't think anyone in the modern era fits that description like Wally. His numbers are sick, but his name doesn't exact;y roll off the tongue like a Carmine or Herve.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2023, 04:44:55 PM »
Long term , I kinda like the Tony Morgan call..needs to be in HOF... Currently, How bout Kakaley?...Can hold his own with anyone. I must admit owners and trainers don't seem to share my view. Thus the underrated tag. Needs more opportunities.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2023, 04:51:48 PM »
Long term , I kinda like the Tony Morgan call..needs to be in HOF... Currently, How bout Kakaley?...Can hold his own with anyone. I must admit owners and trainers don't seem to share my view. Thus the underrated tag. Needs more opportunities.
One of the things I do when not on here is harass Goshen and a few writers frequently asking basically, "WHEN THE FUCK WILL BRETT PELLING,  TONY MORGAN AND STEVE ELLIOTT BE PUT IN THE HOF! Anything less is an embarrasment. So on board with Tony. I guess by a certain definition you could call him underrated. Among today's top drivers in their prime, I agree Kakaley is a very good choice. He wins without aggression and that's a good quality.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2023, 05:44:30 PM »
Wally Hennessey - 11,500 wins in 45, 500 . No one else in the 10000+ plus club even approaches that. Next to Herve and Tetrick, he is probably the most "complete" driver I have ever seen. Can drive anything vs anyone, anywhere at anytime. Lifetime UDRS and win percentage is staggering!

How is he underrated , he’s in the HOF

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2023, 06:19:22 PM »
I don't know about most underrated, but Walter Paisley could drive a horse. Came to Monti one year in late December to try and claim the USTA driving title for that year -- I think he fell short by a handful of wins.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2023, 06:48:41 PM »
How is he underrated , he’s in the HOF
Ya know what!   go fucking argue with Remington  he said Carmine. I am sick of your shit and your mouth.

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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2023, 06:51:47 PM »
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Re: Question of the day - Who is the most underrated ...
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2023, 07:27:54 PM »
Harold Kelly. Such a gentleman who gave everything he had without any fanfare. He wasn’t much of a traveler and didn’t race on Sundays. He didn’t say too much but had excellent hands that spoke for him. Hard to argue against Tony Morgan so I won’t but let’s not forget that Harold Kelly had a very solid career.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2023, 07:29:54 PM »
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