Classic Landing - Death at Meadowlands 07/14

[Mailbox Money]

Well that didn't take long! On the 1st day the Heart Defect card has already hit the table! 

[White Rabbit]

State Drug detection is so far behind . There are so many peptides that are being used at such a small amount, .025 mcgs as and example,that are almost impossible to detect by state labs. Unless they get WADA involved it’s free rein. If anyone questions this then just take a look at how many of the drugs Fishmen was selling. His painkiller was a peptide that was 100x stronger then morphine and they only used.05 mcgs. Not one of his drugs ever showed up on a positive test.

[Superfecta]

The Burke apologists are in the house.

[Mailbox Money]

Correct,however it didn't have to be a pharmaceutical! It could have been a "CONCOCTION " of some sort. Something like a Mineral, Herbal, or Vitamin. Both of which are used in Drenches and Boluses. I have seen my share of both types of applications. If the colt had a birth defect one would have to think that it would have surfaced sooner in the Burkes preparation process. When something like this happens, we can only hope to learn enough from it to prevent it from happening again!

[wiseowl]

Sadly horses die why do we have to think some thing bad happened here why do stupid people think this way they gave the reason why he die end of story.

[shotgunner]

OKD FOOL, you sound like one. Horse obviously had genetic defect that caused his demise. There was an autopsy. If there was any drugs involved, that would have been detected.

You can absolutely rule out genetic defect. The horse would have never made the races, that would have shown up when he was training down. The horse would have never been able to go a 40 mile. The necropsy did not shown and genetic abnormalities. But is for some odd unknown reason the blood is to thick then cardiac resistance gets so high that the arteries rupture from the increase in resistance. Again if this was a genetic abnormality this horse would have never went fast enough to qualify. That is and absolute medical fact.
The reason for posting the necropsy, just and observation not a fact is to present the case of , fill in the blank

Horses with undetected heart issues race all the time. And they are fine until they aren’t, whether it’s an a fib or they have a heart attack or an aneurysm. Some horses are ticking time bombs just like people. Now sometimes there’s signs but a horse looking off in his hocks is pretty far down the fucking list as being connected to a heart issue.

[dinkadoo]

OKD FOOL, you sound like one. Horse obviously had genetic defect that caused his demise. There was an autopsy. If there was any drugs involved, that would have been detected.

1) genetic defect - i don't have the inside information you must know of the genetic defects of this horse.

2) Drugs ? -- I have no idea if they played a part -- but you assuming that testing would have caught that 
        Like the testing that caught all the guys in jail now --- oooops  I mean no test caught what they were using.....                                                     
        Testing    Catching drugs 

[HornbyDuke]

Many cases where high school and college athletes have died well after they started playing. This was the second or third start for this horse.

Burke Derangement Syndrome

Yes. Lenny bias tragic example. Young humans and animals die. Sometimes related to drugs, sometimes not.

I do find it worthy of comment that the pedalled spin is always "nothing here pay no attention to the wizard behind the curtain."

Too much has transpired unfortunately for the knowledgable public not to have suspicions aroused.

My guess would be nothing untorward involved here but id be an idiot to accept the harness industry insider angle that no reason for asking was drugs a factor.

[White Rabbit]

Again,
If this was a congenital defect it the horse would have shown some signs or symptom in the 7 months of training, with going miles 2 times a week.
Not just a catastrophic event. As with human athletes, the ones who have these events and survive , say they had signs n symptoms prior but ignored them.
Question why if the authorities knew about Fishmens PEDS was there never a single Standardbreed or Thoroughbred that tested positive. The amount of these peptides is so small its almost impossible to catch them unless you get WADA involved.