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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2022, 09:59:11 PM »
Again more BS. If this was anything else charges would be handed down and Holloway would be done. When it is as blatant as it has always been with the cheating, the government has to step in and say no more handouts and put the sport to bed finally for good. Don't get me wrong they too are at fault for letting it go on so long.

See all the PPP cheating........b latant in the billions.  Theyll catch a few, but the handouts will continue.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2022, 10:04:10 PM »
Is it true that this horse was a nut case in the paddock and very studdy every time he raced?   If that is true who in their right mind would give the horse more testosterone?  Makes no sense but I am not a lab nor do I have a trainers/drivers license nor am I a vet.

Therefore, maybe you folks know the answer to this!!!!

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2022, 10:04:44 PM »
THIS IS NOT AS CUT AND DRIED AS PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE




Should we test intact male horses for testosterone?
by Dave Briggs

Should racing commissions test intact male horses for testosterone? The Racing Medication and Testing Consortium (RMTC)
doesn’t think it should.

On Dec. 31, it was reported on the USTA’s fines and suspensions
list that stallion Perfect Sting had tested positive for high levels
of testosterone after a Pennsylvania Sires Stakes race on June
26 at The Meadows. The split sample confirmed high levels of
testosterone (full story here).
On Thursday (Jan. 7), the Paulick Report (full story here) published a story by Ray Paulick quoting RMTC executive director
and chief operating officer Dr. Mary Scollay.
“Stallions can have seasonal highs and lows for testosterone
levels,” Dr. Scollay said. “That’s why RMTC does not recommend
a threshold level for testosterone.”
The Paulick Report story also suggested Pennsylvania may be
one of the few regions that “has a threshold level for testosterone for intact male horses.”

Perfect Sting’s trainer Joe Holloway told HRU he did not give
Perfect Sting testosterone and, apart from requesting the split
sample test as soon as he was informed of the positive —
approximately 10 days after the race — he also opted to have
a hair follicle test done to determine if the studdy pacer had
naturally high levels of testosterone.
“We pulled hair follicles on Dr. Tobin’s recommendation and he
gave me the name of a guy in England who’s at the forefront
in that field. We sent the hair to them and that’s not back yet,”
Holloway said Tuesday (Jan. 4).
“We haven’t heard from them. Dr. Tobin has emailed the guy.
My vet has emailed the guy. We’ve called the guy. Dr. Tobin said,
‘Maybe I shouldn’t have recommended him,’ but he’s the best
and he’s just way backed up. So, Dr. Tobin does get him on the
phone and he says that they’ve been so jammed up with Covid,
‘Do you still want them to do the test?’ That week, the split
sample came back in December and it was high and we’re going
to have to have a hearing. So, we say, ‘Yes, we really need (the
hair follicle) results.’ He said, ‘I’ll move it to the front of the line.’”
Holloway stressed he doesn’t know how it relates to testosterone levels, but Perfect Sting has long been, “a handful in the
paddock… Then, when we test-bred him, he was off the charts.
He’s pretty virile.”
Whether that led to a high testosterone level or something else
is yet to be determined by the Pennsylvania State Horse Racing
Commission when the appeal of Holloway’s 15-day suspension
and $500 fine is heard.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2022, 10:14:30 PM »
Is it true that this horse was a nut case in the paddock and very studdy every time he raced?   If that is true who in their right mind would give the horse more testosterone?  Makes no sense but I am not a lab nor do I have a trainers/drivers license nor am I a vet.

Therefore, maybe you folks know the answer to this!!!!

Thanks!

Maybe the blasts of testosterone is why he was crazy ?.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2022, 08:33:13 AM »
SC Trainers License $100 per year, AGCO Trainers License $105 per year tells you why there is so much corruption. These fees are nothing more than the skim like it was in Vegas. You must hold licenses with both to race which IMO seems both the AGCO and SC are a huge part of the corruption and must be held accountable to the gambling public and taxpayers. This does not include a USTA license if you race in the US.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2022, 09:29:33 AM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.
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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2022, 09:37:14 AM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.
Easy to find this out--the hair sample will PROVE if the horse was given testosterone by injection because it will find the testosterone ester .Horse only makes natural testosterone--not the synthetic stuff.


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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2022, 02:03:56 PM »
The commissioner of baseball banned Pete Rose from ever getting into the hall of fame for gambling on games. These cheating fucks stole from other horsemen and gamblers who fund their lifestyle, big difference than Pete Rose. This is why with no commissioner to rule on these matters these cheats go on cheating over and over again.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2022, 02:43:17 PM »
more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did

I never really mind when studs start acting wild and crazy.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2022, 06:26:17 PM »
I had a colt years ago, would not try, ton of speed,another horse get to him he just quit. Gave him some winstrol, nothing different. Turned him out for a month. Brought him in trained him, hit him with some liquid testosterone. Turned into a nut, on the track and off. Never gave him anymore Screamed and struck stud brush in the paddock the rest of his life. Some horses only takes a little who knows what bloated Joe did

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2022, 03:51:25 PM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.

If a Horse is a cheater the last thing you give him is testosterone.  but Maybe he tried it out of desperation.
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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2022, 05:29:56 PM »
If a Horse is a cheater the last thing you give him is testosterone.  but Maybe he tried it out of desperation.

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