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jupiter

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2022, 07:40:42 PM »
Poor old bloated Joe, nobody at fault, just bad timing. Well he knew of the positive, he asked for the split. They matched, still positive. How is he going to win, what mitigating factors, was Diane drinking testosterone and pissed in the stall? Maybe Joe was trying to bulk himself up. It will be great to watch the bullshit awards night. Poor old bloated Joe waddling, drunk, to get the good guy award. He should be ashamed. The whole industry should be ashamed

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2022, 07:47:34 AM »
He and all involved are already winners as they never lost a day of racing.   Should be off 30 days and then tested and qualified.   

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2022, 02:24:10 PM »
We all recognize  we won as it has been  published. Two samples with high levels  of testosterone. Mr.Hollaway doesn't  know  where the flying testosterones  came from. What is known  amongst  trainers is  that a sample sent to  the  lab has just a number  attached, when the results  are in question  is when  they find  out and identify  the horse  and trainer...
    The Pennsylvania  Commission  provides  a list of the toxicology  labs  that they honor to have  a split sample sent to. The hair analysis  lab in England  was not  on the  list. Perhaps ,once again  there will be exceptions.
      The few labs when contacted as to how  long it would  take  to have a split sample tested ,the response was fifteen days. Maybe they are in a location  that Covid doesn't  effect them.
         I  do agree how lucky Mr.Hollaway is because  on the Pennsylvania  Commission  web site  if this sample was taken  during  out of competition  testing the results  of  a  positive  would be  a penalty  of a five thousand  dollar fine and 180 days suspension. The horse would  have  had to be  retested
with a clean test in order to race. His camp should  be  happy they continued  to  race with  out any interruptions.
           What  is so puzzling  is the  commissions in Pennsylvania  and New Jersey  has had such a systemic  failure in regards to the three year old colt pacers this year.
            What is even  more troubling is the media  not questioning  the protocol  of  either Commission. If  this whole situation  was  an unknown  trainer with  a homered the results  would  be totally different. He would  have  no money to  fight  and the media would  not  support  his every effort  for truth and due process .
               I  truly hope  the case is solved about  the  flying  testosterones soon , as they need to be grounded. Just  wonder  why a good  guy would  not disclose  this to the Executive  committee  of the  USHWA before hand
...Transparency  is a great thing .



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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2022, 04:15:35 PM »
How much money was paid to the split sample lab to sit on the results ?

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2022, 07:35:32 PM »
amazing how the HRU article has him blaming the testing company

“It’s not Pennsylvania’s fault. It’s not Joe Holloway’s fault. (The split sample test results were) just backed up,” Holloway said.
“Everybody is acting like there’s some nefarious situation going on, you know, and it’s not."

gee, why not tell the public, especially the one's purchasing shares, booking mares and voting for good guy award that this is a pending issue?
why not tell the bettors in a reasonable amount of time,why wait 4 months

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2022, 10:04:10 PM »
Is it true that this horse was a nut case in the paddock and very studdy every time he raced?   If that is true who in their right mind would give the horse more testosterone?  Makes no sense but I am not a lab nor do I have a trainers/drivers license nor am I a vet.

Therefore, maybe you folks know the answer to this!!!!

Thanks!

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2022, 10:04:44 PM »
THIS IS NOT AS CUT AND DRIED AS PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE




Should we test intact male horses for testosterone?
by Dave Briggs

Should racing commissions test intact male horses for testosterone? The Racing Medication and Testing Consortium (RMTC)
doesn’t think it should.

On Dec. 31, it was reported on the USTA’s fines and suspensions
list that stallion Perfect Sting had tested positive for high levels
of testosterone after a Pennsylvania Sires Stakes race on June
26 at The Meadows. The split sample confirmed high levels of
testosterone (full story here).
On Thursday (Jan. 7), the Paulick Report (full story here) published a story by Ray Paulick quoting RMTC executive director
and chief operating officer Dr. Mary Scollay.
“Stallions can have seasonal highs and lows for testosterone
levels,” Dr. Scollay said. “That’s why RMTC does not recommend
a threshold level for testosterone.”
The Paulick Report story also suggested Pennsylvania may be
one of the few regions that “has a threshold level for testosterone for intact male horses.”

Perfect Sting’s trainer Joe Holloway told HRU he did not give
Perfect Sting testosterone and, apart from requesting the split
sample test as soon as he was informed of the positive —
approximately 10 days after the race — he also opted to have
a hair follicle test done to determine if the studdy pacer had
naturally high levels of testosterone.
“We pulled hair follicles on Dr. Tobin’s recommendation and he
gave me the name of a guy in England who’s at the forefront
in that field. We sent the hair to them and that’s not back yet,”
Holloway said Tuesday (Jan. 4).
“We haven’t heard from them. Dr. Tobin has emailed the guy.
My vet has emailed the guy. We’ve called the guy. Dr. Tobin said,
‘Maybe I shouldn’t have recommended him,’ but he’s the best
and he’s just way backed up. So, Dr. Tobin does get him on the
phone and he says that they’ve been so jammed up with Covid,
‘Do you still want them to do the test?’ That week, the split
sample came back in December and it was high and we’re going
to have to have a hearing. So, we say, ‘Yes, we really need (the
hair follicle) results.’ He said, ‘I’ll move it to the front of the line.’”
Holloway stressed he doesn’t know how it relates to testosterone levels, but Perfect Sting has long been, “a handful in the
paddock… Then, when we test-bred him, he was off the charts.
He’s pretty virile.”
Whether that led to a high testosterone level or something else
is yet to be determined by the Pennsylvania State Horse Racing
Commission when the appeal of Holloway’s 15-day suspension
and $500 fine is heard.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2022, 10:14:30 PM »
Is it true that this horse was a nut case in the paddock and very studdy every time he raced?   If that is true who in their right mind would give the horse more testosterone?  Makes no sense but I am not a lab nor do I have a trainers/drivers license nor am I a vet.

Therefore, maybe you folks know the answer to this!!!!

Thanks!

Maybe the blasts of testosterone is why he was crazy ?.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2022, 09:29:33 AM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.
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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2022, 09:37:14 AM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.
Easy to find this out--the hair sample will PROVE if the horse was given testosterone by injection because it will find the testosterone ester .Horse only makes natural testosterone--not the synthetic stuff.


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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2022, 02:43:17 PM »
more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did

I never really mind when studs start acting wild and crazy.

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2022, 06:26:17 PM »
I had a colt years ago, would not try, ton of speed,another horse get to him he just quit. Gave him some winstrol, nothing different. Turned him out for a month. Brought him in trained him, hit him with some liquid testosterone. Turned into a nut, on the track and off. Never gave him anymore Screamed and struck stud brush in the paddock the rest of his life. Some horses only takes a little who knows what bloated Joe did

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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2022, 03:51:25 PM »
The horse was a cheating coward and never wanted to win. Very easy for Joe to give the horse more testosterone to make him wild and crazy as they say he is. NO normal stud acted way he did, Joe gave him more thinking it would help him try and he couldn’t come up positive. Simple as that.

If a Horse is a cheater the last thing you give him is testosterone.  but Maybe he tried it out of desperation.
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Re: Perfect Sting Positive Test
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2022, 05:29:56 PM »
If a Horse is a cheater the last thing you give him is testosterone.  but Maybe he tried it out of desperation.

Never trained races horse's have ya?

If so, Have anything for sale?

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