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jupiter

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Kelly O, no comp ins
« on: March 04, 2021, 10:59:43 AM »
Saw a go fund me page for Dave Waddell, trampled working for Kelly O, needs money for surgeries. Hey Kelly gert some ins for the help. Id get a lawyer if I were the guy.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 11:07:09 AM »
I saw the same thing. Absolutely ridiculous in this time and age. God bless Mr. Waddell.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2021, 07:15:47 PM »
Saw a go fund me page for Dave Waddell, trampled working for Kelly O, needs money for surgeries. Hey Kelly gert some ins for the help. Id get a lawyer if I were the guy.

You have to have workmen's comp insurance to have an employee in the paddock don't you?  Wouldn't that carry over to the barn?

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2021, 07:40:39 PM »
Not implying this is true in this scenario but I know there are trainers who pay their grooms as 1099 independent contractors to avoid paying for workers comp premiums and to avoid  payroll taxes

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2021, 09:30:07 PM »
sadly a lot are paid that way. which then puts all insurance issues onto the independent contractor.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2021, 12:20:31 PM »
Thats not true in New York Mike.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2021, 12:47:02 PM »
Thats not true in New York Mike.

I think in DE the trainer must have worker's comp insurance for it's employees.  If you own part and are working in there it's not required.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2021, 02:24:47 PM »
Some of the New York farms require you to have it so you can stable there. I know a few that do. Also, you are NOT an idiot.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2021, 07:19:59 PM »
sadly a lot are paid that way. which then puts all insurance issues onto the independent contractor.
Quite a bit of the OHIO trainers do that.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2021, 12:50:41 PM »
Ask the Burkeś how it worked out for them paying with 1099s

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2021, 02:09:30 PM »
Not implying this is true in this scenario but I know there are trainers who pay their grooms as 1099 independent contractors to avoid paying for workers comp premiums and to avoid  payroll taxes
I don't doubt they do, 'Dapp. I can say this as a person (company) that has employed Independent Contractors and as an IC myself, there is no way a groom, caretaker, rider or any other job title, could ever pass the smell test of the Department of Labor and Standards, as a IC. Who's tools are you using, where are you performing the duties, who sets your hours, who instructs you on how to do your duties? All these and more make you an employee, not an IC. Your employer is subject to FICA, SS and medicade taxes,as well as Unemployment tax, based on your wage. And in New York, Workers Compensation. It as been 10 years since I payed these so I have no idea what the cost is . But, as a new business with no lose runs, I was put in the "pool" and paid .22 on a dollar for the first year of my Workers Comp, then I was getting refunds.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2021, 07:47:31 PM »
I hope Dave wasn't as trashed as usual. I worked with him at Mohawk and he was so drunk in the in the middle of the day he put his horses in the wrong stall

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2021, 05:08:57 AM »
I hope Dave wasn't as trashed as usual. I worked with him at Mohawk and he was so drunk in the in the middle of the day he put his horses in the wrong stall

That is drunk...no place for that around horses.  But definitely not uncommon in this game.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2021, 11:54:28 AM »
Most of my grooms in the 60s and 70s were better drunk, than half the grooms that were sober. I let them drink beer as soon as we were done on the track. would love to have any of them back.

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Re: Kelly O, no comp ins
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2021, 01:42:23 PM »
Most of my grooms in the 60s and 70s were better drunk, than half the grooms that were sober. I let them drink beer as soon as we were done on the track. would love to have any of them back.

LOL!! This is so true.. Reading your statement just made me think of all the drunks I used to see in the barn area at Roosevelt & Monticello when I first started grooming...The funny thing about it though was they were still pretty damned good about getting all the equipment on correctly most of the time..LOL!!

 

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