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Marc St. Louis jr
« on: November 13, 2020, 02:12:21 PM »
What’s the deal is this guy going to get a fair chance to make a living and drive again at the Weg tracks?


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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 03:38:40 PM »
What’s the deal is this guy going to get a fair chance to make a living and drive again at the Weg tracks?
When has he ever driven there?

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PM »
When has he ever driven there?

I think he might have had a couple of drives at Mohawk back around 2007...but certainly never made a living driving there.

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 04:39:35 PM »
Fact is now they will not let him go to Flam Geo Wdb. It’s complete crap.

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2020, 04:57:36 PM »
The tracks are flexing their muscles and they know what has gone on in the past so now they are thinking you did the crime so now do your time and their making an example of Marc.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 08:13:00 PM »
I mean wouldn’t it be fun to add him to weg? 
Put everything aside. He might only bay 200 there. But it would still be fun to see! 

Oh and the money that would follow him.
It’s like everywhere the guy drives the handles are effected.
How do you leave him off the ticket. Even driving for me lol
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2020, 08:32:07 PM »
He did his time, should be allowed to drive anywhere, no excuses accepted

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2020, 09:26:46 PM »
Since the indictments came out all of a sudden it's the tracks that are trying to put on a good face and their just as guilty, them and the AGCO. I honestly believe that a good number have something to cover up, and the canaries will see to it that many more will be charged.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 10:31:47 PM »
Since the indictments came out all of a sudden it's the tracks that are trying to put on a good face and their just as guilty, them and the AGCO. I honestly believe that a good number have something to cover up, and the canaries will see to it that many more will be charged.

It hurts to say. But I agree with you.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2020, 09:57:52 AM »
It’s not fair or right that the powers that be can do this shit. The little guy can’t get a fair shake anymore. People need to learn second chances are deserving of people who put in the time and prove them selves again.

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2020, 11:12:36 AM »
It hurts to say. But I agree with you.
And I agree with you Stew. His ability and style fits WEG and providing he gets live drives he could really shake things up and it would be good for betting. In my opinion the powers to be at WEG are their own worst enemy when night after night the same handful of drivers and trainers are winning the majority of the night's races. This is bad for handle and I'm not saying the handle in these times is bad but it could be so much better.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2020, 01:39:33 PM »
Was he not driving at all these other tracks a couple of years back? What changed? It’s clear he is a top Driver and gamblers like to bet him because he try’s on every horse he drives. 

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2020, 07:36:27 AM »
Was he not driving at all these other tracks a couple of years back? What changed? It’s clear he is a top Driver and gamblers like to bet him because he try’s on every horse he drives.
Flamboro he drove all last year , one of the top drivers,he was asked to leave ,yet they still allow a trainer with animal cruelty charges lending and another trainer with pending fines and suspension for abusing a horse in a race paddock

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2020, 09:10:47 AM »
Let’s not for how long ago this shit was and how old he was. I think he’s suffered enough let him drive and show how good he really is.

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 10:25:35 AM »
ST. LOUIS’S DISCIPLINARY RECORD

The United States Trotting Association print outs of ST. LOUIS’s record is found at Exhibit 3, pp. 32-36, 61-63 and 67-77.  A compilation of the record prepared by counsel for WEG and agreed to by all parties as accurate, is also found at Exhibit 3, pp.103-106.

The record covers the period April, 2007 to March, 2019.  In that time ST. LOUIS had some 30 violations.  Three offences involved failure to obey the instructions of racing officials.  Five offences involved excessive or indiscriminate use of the whip.  Five offences involved kicking a horse. Three offences involved giving false or misleading statements to racing Officials. One offence involved administering an injectable to a horse on the grounds where horses eligible to race are kept.  One offence involved ST. LOUIS being on the grounds of a racetrack while under suspension.  One offence involved a violation of a period probation by training horses.  One offence involved violating a settlement agreement.

For the last two offences, ST. LOUIS was suspended for a total of approximately 5 years, excluding him from racing from early 2013 to early 2018.

The most serious offences and the ones most relied on by WEG, GREAT CANADIAN, and GRAND RIVER, were the following:

July 18, 2009                        Michigan

Mr. St. Louis, while under oath, made false and misleading statements regarding the death of the horse ALEX E MEL. He did admit to the death, burning and burial of the horse and in doing so he did attempt to conceal, tamper, and destroy evidence in the case by the improperly burying the dead horse in violation of State Law. Mr. St. Louis’ actions constitute a failure to conduct himself in a manner befitting the best interest of racing and reasonably threatens and undermines public confidence in the integrity of racing.”

Penalty – 1 year suspension, $3,500 fine         

 

July 22, 2009                        Michigan

“Mr. St. Louis was observed by MORC personnel using a hypodermic syringe to inject a drug or foreign substance into the horse RISING ARTIST which was entered to race.  Subsequently, he made false and misleading statements while under oath in a Stewards hearing in regard to his possession and use of a needle syringe and injectable substance on the grounds where horses eligible to race are kept. His actions constitute failure to conduct himself in a manner best befitting the best interest of racing and reasonably threatens or undermines public confidence in the integrity of racing.”

Penalty – 180 day suspension, $1,500 fine

 

July 22, 2009                        Michigan

“Mr. St. Louis was in the grandstand of Sports Creek Raceway on 3 occasion, one being on 7/22/09 while under suspension which was a violation of the MORC  Stewards Ruling #5836. These actions also result in Mr. St. Louis not receiving credit for time served.”

Penalty – 30 day suspension

 

February 4, 2013      Michigan                                                                 

“The Penalty of Revocation of all of Mr. St. Louis Jr’s 2013 occupational licenses and ineligible to be licensed in the State of Michigan for two years beginning 2/18/2013 through and including: Mr. St. Louis Jr. is deemed a disqualified person.  During this time Mr. St. Louis Jr. is denied the privileges of all grounds live and/or simulcast that are under the jurisdiction of the MGCB.  Explanation:  Mr. St. Louis did violate his probation as states in MGCB Stewards Ruling #6282 dated 2/19/2011. Violated his probation by training horses at Shiawassee Farm in Michigan while on probation.”

Penalty – 2 year suspension. Revocation as of 02/18/2013

 

May 28, 2013                        Michigan

“As a result of violating the settlement agreement the Stewards issue the following penalty.  In accordance with MGCB Stewards Ruling #6695, Mr. St. Louis remains ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995 in the State of Michigan for the two year period 2/18/2013 through and including 2/17/2015. Further Mr. St. Louis Jr. will continue to remain ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995 in the State of Michigan for an additional three-year period 2/18/2015 through and including 2/17/2018. Mr. St. Louis Jr. will be deemed a disqualified person and will be denied the privileges of all grounds, live and/or simulcast that are under the jurisdiction of the Horse Racing Law of 1995.”

Penalty – 3-year suspension in eligible as of 05/31/2013

 

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