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Re: CHANGES IN HARNESS WHEN IT RETURNS....HRU
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2020, 12:37:08 PM »
They didn't spend or put all this effort into exposing that Racing was corrupt and each and every State and Provincial Commisions have been exposed as totally incapable of overseeing and policing the sport all the while taking in millions of dollars in taxes every year. The only way Racing returns is with one body with one commissioner period. Each State and Province will not be able to debate what this will cost each of them and if they don't go along they give up their right to hold races in that State or Province. Further to this it won't matter if you had Racing before you won't automatically get a licence to start racing they will take into account where punishment should have been handed out according to the rules and wasn't or infractions were swept under the carpet. This whole investigation is not about who was cheating and who was caught but how each State and Province conducted themselves allowing this to go on so long. Yes the landscape will be quite different and it's like those programs you see on TV about hoarders you have to completely tear it down and start fresh.

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2020, 12:47:57 PM »
They didn't spend or put all this effort into exposing that Racing was corrupt and each and every State and Provincial Commisions have been exposed as totally incapable of overseeing and policing the sport all the while taking in millions of dollars in taxes every year. The only way Racing returns is with one body with one commissioner period. Each State and Province will not be able to debate what this will cost each of them and if they don't go along they give up their right to hold races in that State or Province. Further to this it won't matter if you had Racing before you won't automatically get a licence to start racing they will take into account where punishment should have been handed out according to the rules and wasn't or infractions were swept under the carpet. This whole investigation is not about who was cheating and who was caught but how each State and Province conducted themselves allowing this to go on so long. Yes the landscape will be quite different and it's like those programs you see on TV about hoarders you have to completely tear it down and start fresh.
Sounds good. 
 
Keep up the good work, Tim.  tmbz1

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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2020, 01:02:48 PM »
Sounds good. 
 
Keep up the good work, Tim.  tmbz1

WHAT ABOUT THE GUY THAT SAID TO INSTALL THE CLAW GAME TO ATTRACT YOUNGER CROWDS?

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2020, 02:39:53 PM »
WHAT ABOUT THE GUY THAT SAID TO INSTALL THE CLAW GAME TO ATTRACT YOUNGER CROWDS?
All you need to do is have:

1.  Women 18-25 get 3 for 1 drinks

2.  Live music.

You do those 2 things, you will beat them away.


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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2020, 02:48:47 PM »
All you need to do is have:

1.  Women 18-25 get 3 for 1 drinks

2.  Live music.

You do those 2 things, you will beat them away.






I'm not sure 18 year old women can legally drink alcohol.
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2020, 05:38:42 PM »
You nailed it, Ice.  Right on the button.  Tear the whole frigging thing down and start from scratch!

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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2020, 07:10:43 AM »
Just an opinion. Both breeds Harness and Thoroughbreds have raced in North America since forever but in the eyes of governments they don't differentiate the breeds it all is Horse Racing and all of Horse Racing contributes to State and Provincial coffers in the billions and herein lies part of the problem. Each State has very little interest in using that money to police the sport with racing commissions and Provinces have no control over their commissions because they fall under the direction of the Governor General of each Province and funds are siphoned off each at the direction of the Governor General of Canada and ends up in the Queens coffers which is complete BS and don't get me started. So the reality is since time began Racing has gone on without any real regulation and all their quasi drug testing is just a facade means nothing and catches no one. Like criminal movies subconsciously we all marvel and some may envy how they get away with things until they get caught and go to prison and as much as we all have said about what should happen to the first 29 and the rest yet to get charged give them credit they figured out no one cared and took the chance. In Horse Racing the Civil War still exists, Kentucky against the North and California doesn't count and this is more about the Thoroughbreds and Harness is collateral damage because no one stood up for the Harness horseman, ownership and breeding like the blue bloods like Vanderbilt and others for their Thoroughbreds. Look what Churchill Downs Inc has done to Illinois they decimated the state once they took control of Arlington and were given blanket approval for casinos. Harness racing has been stupid for a long time and like Churchill Downs Inc in Illinois they allowed the Thoroughbreds to take control and we got duped. If in the next wave of indictments only Harness persons are charged then it's over for Harness and turn out the lights because we never stood strong on our own two feet and like always were just collateral damage.

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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2020, 07:26:11 AM »
 WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU, BUD, IN THE INDUSTRY, HOW COULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN STUPID?  ALL YOU AND YOUR FELLOW TURD GRADE GRADUATES DIDNT HAVE A CLUE.   AMAZING HOW ALL YOU FUCKS DIDNT GO OUT OF BUSINES DUE TO SORE ELBOWS FROM PATTING YOURSELVES ON THE BACK ALL DAY LONG

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2020, 07:40:28 AM »
It's dumb dumbs like you that have no clue and offer nothing other that BS hot air.

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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2020, 10:47:51 AM »
  All wagering activity should be ceased and the money directed where it is needed.

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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2020, 11:02:17 AM »
7.4 Billion....do you think that the government will ask why are we supporting harness racing and try to decouple??........whatever happened to the PA State budget which was going after the PA racing fund...the state budget was to be voted upon in June........right after 9-11 happened which was a major catasrophe, they passed the slots bill , so due to this catastrophe I wouldnt be surprised if they go after the slots bill in the tri state area and amend it.......financia lly the city of ny and the state will be strapped for cash with no sales tax revenue and loss on state income tax revenue....though ts?
Going forward, everything is on the table. It was less than 10 years ago, the recession tank yearling prices by 50% or more. If it all ended today, the effects of this tragedy will take a lot more time to heal the economy.

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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2020, 12:35:41 PM »
EXCELLENT
Will you also be solving ( single handily) drug abuse, alcohol abuse  and physical abuse

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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2020, 02:48:58 PM »
I never said racetracks make "ALL" problem gamblers.

You did say that. Your exact words were

"They all basically share the same story: Somebody took them as a child to track and they're still ensnared in the gambling game decades later"

As for 11 to 16 year olds gambling in any country they don't bet on horses or have credit cards or betting accounts and the study didn't say they did either. You don't need an account to lose your allowance to the neighborhood shark whatever the wagering format is. card games, sports abilities or prop bets to name a few.

Just to be nice to a couple of your opinions I'll agree that the vast majority of online bettors make more deposits than withdrawals which is common sense as the sites would not exist otherwise, and of course compulsive gambling is addiction based. So is the tobacco industry, liquor industry, drug industry, porn industry and countless others.  The human psyche is addiction based .. the trick is knowing how do deal with it and being able to control it which few people do.


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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2020, 03:45:51 PM »
Finally   A non hateful non judgmental post without any misrepresentation s and a lot of truth.  I'm going to shock the shit out you by giving you a  tmbz1


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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2020, 04:43:57 PM »
I know a couple guys who earned in the seven figures by their early 20"s playing poker. They're very sharp younger adults who understand variance and probability and certainly weren't afraid of anything being too complicated. They were smart enough to realize that betting on an unpredictable animal in harness racing also invloves other factors such as the human element of trainers and drivers in the equation and that gamble paled in comparison to betting on themselves and outsmarting a few other guys at a table. Like it or not, the industry is commonly viewed as corrupt and full of degenerates and a lot of that is regurgitated innuendo that is passed along through generations. It's a perception that becomes reality without even visiting a track. My humble guess is if you polled 1000 random people on a few questions about their perception of harness racing the results would be disasterous for those hoping they can somehow turn it around. Another factor is the liberal mindset concerning a sport that has been proven over and over to drug/dope and abuse animals. I'm not trying crush anybody that makes a living racing their horses as this entire conversation started with Harnessstats talking about trying to introduce young people to standardbreds/harness racing through youth programs. I merely stated that I thought that was a terrible idea because I'm on the other side as a bettor and I've seen the negative effects of gambling on horses firsthand with people of all ages for almost 50 years.

The "novice" gambler apparently finds the other avenues you listed above as more fulfilling, exciting, or when it comes to sports/fantasy sports or single-deck blackjack (etc.), a more legitimate bet. I can see a major rise in gambling on sports and even previously unimaginable things like eSports as legalization spreads throughout America. Today's demographic are a trip on may levels.

I'm just giving you my insight from this side of the fence. Not saying it's gospel, but if the industry had considered this perspective years ago and tried to clean it up and market it properly, perhaps the game would have a much healthier bottom line and future such as horse racing currently does in other regions of the world.
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