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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2020, 06:19:31 PM »
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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2020, 06:44:02 PM »


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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2020, 06:50:49 PM »
Before the mid 80's and soda, the preferredmethod of cheating get set ups and stiff jobs. We had a handle you could bet into and make money without alerting the judges.  That is unless someone got stupid and greedy. The drivers were in complete control. Trainer and crew could bust their ass all week getting one ready.  Didn't mean a thing. Driver would get off and say, "...it just was not our week".

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2020, 07:02:09 PM »
Before the mid 80's and soda, the preferredmethod of cheating get set ups and stiff jobs. We had a handle you could bet into and make money without alerting the judges.  That is unless someone got stupid and greedy. The drivers were in complete control. Trainer and crew could bust their ass all week getting one ready.  Didn't mean a thing. Driver would get off and say, "...it just was not our week".

  That occured alot less than you want to believe.  Many trainers drove their own, particularly the younger ones. Many owners have ears to the ground also....Perhaps a B track or 2 where horses have whole careers at the same track?  I'll buy into that.....
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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2020, 07:19:22 PM »
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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2020, 08:06:29 PM »
Before the mid 80's and soda, the preferredmethod of cheating get set ups and stiff jobs. We had a handle you could bet into and make money without alerting the judges.  That is unless someone got stupid and greedy. The drivers were in complete control. Trainer and crew could bust their ass all week getting one ready.  Didn't mean a thing. Driver would get off and say, "...it just was not our week".

Your description is 100% accurate of the mid to late 70's when i was around...Also back in the the days of ABC classification the guys I knew would just sit patiently until they usually were in a C classification race and then down the road they went..Different era , different types of cheating.. It wasn't the right thing to do either but if I had to make a choice of baking soda or the drugs they use today, I'd rather stiff a horse anytime.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2020, 08:10:01 PM »
Your description is 100% accurate of the mid to late 70's when i was around...Also back in the the days of ABC classification the guys I knew would just sit patiently until they usually were in a C classification race and then down the road they went..Different era , different types of cheating.. It wasn't the right thing to do either but if I had to make a choice of baking soda or the drugs they use today, I'd rather stiff a horse anytime.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2020, 09:11:29 PM »
yes the 70 to 80's was a time where their were some races set up. i think it might be more legend the amount of races but there were some. even smaller tracks would handle 500,000. purses on some were still low as 1500. their was money to be maid. i agree a lot of easy miles and drop and pop for a score at the windows. back then less exotics. more money in less pools.you could really bet and not stick out. i also know of drugs too back then but now even just the legal to train on stuff. you gotta have a good vet. part of it is the fast miles to get a check. the casino monies bumped purses up but you have to be good and run hard every quarter now. now too with the bigger purses you can spend more on vets drugs . game changed a lot.  i for one think it was better back then. if you watched the race and replays you could see. learned back then the value of the all button. you could make a living pretty good then.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2020, 09:58:53 PM »
I thought the topic was what was the method of cheating before soda. Well, to me, anything other than race to win is cheating. As long as people can bet money, sitting in and willing get shuffled out of race in hopes to drop in class is cheating. A catch driver staying out of the number and getting a piece of the package later is cheating. Agreed, this happened more often at b tracks like Monticello and Freehold but it also happened at M1. Mike GaggliardI comes to mind. If you read Larry Rolla''s book, almost every trifecta was a fix.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2020, 02:59:22 AM »
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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2020, 01:06:33 PM »

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I would HOPE that you don't really believe that HE was the ONLY trainer using that stuff. He might have been the only one penalized for it. But certainly he was not alone in that. A certain vet was known to give that drug in Chicago. One that knew his way around the windows. AND I assure you that I am not a relative of his. I always knew IF I ever used that on a horse, that test would come back like a Christmas tree.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2020, 01:29:13 PM »
What were trainers putting on the tongue ties? I vaguely remember The Meadowlands issuing out the tongue ties because trainers were using chemicals in them.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2020, 01:40:38 PM »
I would HOPE that you don't really believe that HE was the ONLY trainer using that stuff. He might have been the only one penalized for it. But certainly he was not alone in that. A certain vet was known to give that drug in Chicago. One that knew his way around the windows. AND I assure you that I am not a relative of that trainer. I always knew IF I ever used that on a horse, that test would come back like a Christmas tree.

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Re: Before baking soda
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2020, 01:53:15 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2020, 01:58:23 PM »
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