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Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« on: April 14, 2019, 04:13:34 AM »
CULLEN,TRAVIS A                   
ON    - FAILING TO SET A PACE COMPARABLE TO CLASS
Commission Rule Number : 22.05.01 K                                                                     
Date Issued : 08-APR-2019
Total Due :    200.00
Violation Occurred : Race 5 at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK on 06-APR-2019 horse P L JACKSON



For the sake of argument let's say the WEG is right about this fine and the pace was too slow.

Here is the race:  1 MILE, PACE, PURSE $13,000.
NW $5,000 LAST 5 STARTS OR NW $11,500 LAST 10 STARTS. AE: NOT AVERAGING $1,000
PER START IN 2018-19. (MIN 10 STARTS)
                                                                                                                    Last
Horse                          HV PP    1/4     1/2     3/4     Stretch  Finish     Time    1/4  Driver           Odds   Trainer
8   P L Jackson(L)             8    1@/1    1/T     1/1H    1/2Q     1/HD       1:52    28   T Cullen         6.10   J Cullen
4   Arsenal Seelster          4    7/10H   7@/5T   6@/4T   5/4   2/HD       1:52    27   J Drury         34.00   Colin Johnson
7   Walter Mitty(L)             7    6/8H    5@/3H   4@/3Q   4/3    3/1        1:52.1  27.3 C Christoforou   1.95*  N Gallucci
3   Nickle Bag                   3    4/4H    2@/T    2@/1H   2/2Q   4/2        1:52.2  28.1 S Filion         2.45   J Robinson
2   Joes Bid(L)                  2     5/6     6/5Q    7/5T    7/5H      5/2Q       1:52.2  27.1 Ja Macdonald    13.35   D Heard
1   Mt Sterling Mafia         1    3/2T    4/3Q    5/4     6/4T        6/2H       1:52.2  27.3 J Gagne         20.75   J Gagne
6   Mercenary                   6    2/1     3/1T    3/1T    3/2T         7/3T       1:52.4  28.2 J Jamieson       2.70   G Ketros
5   Olliestrikesfame          5    8/12H   8@/7T   8@/6H   8/6T   8/6       1:53.1  28   Ph Hudon        31.55   W Hie
Time: 26.4, 56.2, 1:24, 1:52 (Temperature: 11, Condition: FT, Variant: 0)


So tonight PL Jackson wins again in a higher class NW $11,500

1 MILE, PACE, PURSE $20,000.
NW $11,500 LAST 5 STARTS OR NW $24,500 LAST 10 STARTS. AE: OPT. CLM. $30,000.
                                                                                                                           Last
Horse                       HV PP    1/4     1/2     3/4     Stretch  Finish            Time    1/4  Driver           Odds   Trainer
6   P L Jackson(L)            6    2/1H    3/3Q    3/3Q    2/1H     1/1            1:52.3  26.3 T Cullen         2.75*  J Cullen
8   Bit Of Luck(L)              8    8/12    7@/9H   5@/5    4/4      2/1           1:52.4  26.2 B Mcclure       30.40   R Moreau
2   Te Kawau N(L)            2    4@/3Q   1/1T    1/1T    1/1H     3/1Q        1:52.4  27.2 J Jamieson       4.85   A Montini
9   Ramblingamblinman   9    9/14H   9@/11T  8@/6H   8/5T     4/2       1:53    26.2 C Christoforou   3.70   S Barrington
5   Drunkonaplane(L)       5    3/3     4/4T    6/5Q    5/4      5/2                 1:53    26.3 S Filion         2.95   C Gilmour
1   Humboldt(L)                1    5/5T    5/7Q    7/6H    7/5T     6/2              1:53    26.2 D Mcnair         8.30   B Wallace
7   Major Hill(L)                7    1/1H    2/1T    2/1T    3/1T     7/2T             1:53.1  27.2 J Drury         10.05   C Auciello
3   Mckinney(L)                3    6/7T    6@/7T   4@/3Q   6/4Q     8/5Q      1:53.3  27.3 Ja Macdonald    20.60   R Fellows
4   Cool Rock                   4    7/9T    8/9H    9@/8Q   9/8H     9/7            1:54    27   Ra Waples       36.10   R Bourassa
Time: 27.2, 56.1, 1:25.2, 1:52.3 (Temperature: 10, Condition: FT, Variant: 0)

The fractions are slower than on 4-06 but Drury and Jameison are on the lead.

So am I to assume these fractions are also too slow for this class and that Druy and Jameison will be fined?

Both track variants are 0 with the weather conditions being almost identical.

I can name a lot more Woodbine races in the last 2 months way more suspicious than these two.

While I appreciate the WEG's effort, looks to me like they are cherry picking when to enforce the rules.   
« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 04:19:26 AM by swoodall »

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2019, 04:34:05 AM »
Zero chance Chody or Drury get fined. WEG hates Cullen so they pick on him.

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2019, 06:58:40 AM »
  Some big loser must not have gotten his Issue of Child Porn Monthly if all he has to do is quibble over fractions of a harness race and says he keeps examples of other "fishy" races.  Future member of MSNBC Rachel Maddow staff in his future.
  Guy lost a 20c  bet, losing his heroin money on a big closer, and bitches that the front runner  didn't  go fast enough. His mother should be ashamed she raised such a cry baby ,wimp, pussy of a son, not a real man, that is for sure
   Obstruction of justice he says, and wants 6 years of video of a driver's races to witch hunt a fucked up conclusion.
  This is why the game is in sad state. Drugs must have totally fucked this guys brain.
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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2019, 07:22:19 AM »
he was penalized for totally shutting down the second quarter! first quarter 26.4, second quarter 29.3, a difference of 14 lengths! he following week, the variance was only 7 lengths (27.2 versus 28.4) Chances are he wouldn't have been able to reach the second week if a less honest pace had been set! This rule should definitely be enforced more often as far too many times, horses are mathematically eliminated at the half!

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2019, 08:17:54 AM »
Cullen is a great driver

Tries 110% every time on the track
No stiffs , take back to last etc

I respect that

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2019, 09:09:20 AM »
 If one driver is to get find, then all drivers in the race should get find

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2019, 10:05:20 AM »
he only tries with his own as i posted before total stiff with rail horse when he goes out of his way to let mclure in

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2019, 12:13:07 PM »
The way I see it is, If the leader can back down the 2nd qtr. good for them. That's part of racing. Blame the drivers behind the leader for not going after them when they know the pace has slowed.

What's next, Owners getting fined for horses shitting on the track with less then 1 minute to post!

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2019, 12:19:50 PM »
Isn't racing about winning.   Getting to the front and backing off the pace isn't the leaders issue, it's everyone that stayed in line and let him.

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 12:37:56 PM »
this is one of those rules that just points out that the harness racing industry has no clue.

A driver does what he needs to to win the race...rewards his owners and bettors, and is penalized. How about penalizing all the other drivers for letting him do it?

If they want to pay off the purses and bets based on who the fastest horse is on paper, why run the effing races.

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 12:55:01 PM »
this is one of those rules that just points out that the harness racing industry has no clue.

A driver does what he needs to to win the race...rewards his owners and bettors, and is penalized. How about penalizing all the other drivers for letting him do it?

If they want to pay off the purses and bets based on who the fastest horse is on paper, why run the effing races.

Agree!

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 03:10:53 PM »
this is one of those rules that just points out that the harness racing industry has no clue.

A driver does what he needs to to win the race...rewards his owners and bettors, and is penalized. How about penalizing all the other drivers for letting him do it?

If they want to pay off the purses and bets based on who the fastest horse is on paper, why run the effing races.
   This is just one of those answers that proves you have no clue! Owners and trainers don't want their horses sacrificed with insane moves because the leader is trying to gain an unfair advantage! It is the judges responsibility to insure that every race is contested fairly and when betting interests are mathematically out of a race before the half it is extremely counter productive! I have been told that in Canada, when a driver is guilty of excessively backing down the half, the judges just take his 5% check! There should be a formula for an automatic penalty. For example, if there is more than 11 lengths between the first and second quarters the offender
is fined!

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2019, 03:50:44 PM »
Listen up drivers, lets make sure no opening quarter is faster than 29, we will show those cocksuckers who the real bosses are

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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2019, 03:55:06 PM »
Isn't racing about winning.   Getting to the front and backing off the pace isn't the leaders issue, it's everyone that stayed in line and let him.
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Re: Failing To Set A Pace Comparable To Class!
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2019, 03:55:44 PM »
  Some big loser must not have gotten his Issue of Child Porn Monthly if all he has to do is quibble over fractions of a harness race and says he keeps examples of other "fishy" races.  Future member of MSNBC Rachel Maddow staff in his future.
  Guy lost a 20c  bet, losing his heroin money on a big closer, and bitches that the front runner  didn't  go fast enough. His mother should be ashamed she raised such a cry baby ,wimp, pussy of a son, not a real man, that is for sure
   Obstruction of justice he says, and wants 6 years of video of a driver's races to witch hunt a fucked up conclusion.
  This is why the game is in sad state. Drugs must have totally fucked this guys brain.


Yes Tiny Tim, there is a CRACKHEAD posting in every thread! 43z.stf

And this CRACkHEAD should stop beating his exwife and pay up his child support. 77z.chf 91.jzail

I was reviewing Fines and Suspensions on Standardbred Canada when I saw this fine.

So I compared the race Cullen was fined for to last night's race.

Nothing more, nothing less.

But leave it to the scum to try and redirect the pain from their own miserable lives onto everyone else. tmbz1   

 

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