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Rabbi Of Racing

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Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« on: January 11, 2019, 08:34:37 PM »
Good payoffs  tmbz1

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 12:09:15 AM »
Nice prices

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 03:18:14 AM »
Payouts good, but the survivor I will hit one day. Canít hit a double but a pick 8 I will eventually. Betting is limited to Ohio, Mohawk my fav, Florida, and The Meadowlands this time of the year. Hoosier and Hawthorne coming up soon.

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 07:40:19 PM »
Great idea. Makes for a lot of churn

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 08:43:17 PM »
Payouts good, but the survivor I will hit one day. Canít hit a double but a pick 8 I will eventually. Betting is limited to Ohio, Mohawk my fav, Florida, and The Meadowlands this time of the year. Hoosier and Hawthorne coming up soon.
cant hit a double but can hit a pic 8
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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 09:53:10 PM »
Rare move by the big m administrators that I'm liking.  tmbz1

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 09:54:29 PM »
horrible bet,payoffs are God awful

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 11:13:32 PM »
The only way this change is a success is if it draws more money than the pk3's.

Snapshot of tonight: The Daily Double pools in order
$23,306
$6,522
$10,716
$11,947
$10,230

So obviously the first DD is still the same as the old format.

The new DD's are not drawing more money than the pk3"s and in some cases less.

The old pk3's use to average $8,000 to $12,000 per pool.

The new DD's are falling into the same range.

At least for tonight they are averaging the same.

So to me it was useless. No t-bred player is gonna stoop to playing harness DD's for these poor pools.
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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 09:05:14 AM »
People who would rather bet a pic 3 over a daily double are not too bright.  Take out on daily doubles is 19%  while the take out on a pic 3 is 25%.   
 So if the handle is the same, and the goof above me posts it is, why try to pic 3 winners when 2 is so much easier? 

 But most gamblers are not the sharpest tools in the shed and prove it by opening their mouth

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 09:49:00 AM »
People who would rather bet a pic 3 over a daily double are not too bright.  Take out on daily doubles is 19%  while the take out on a pic 3 is 25%.   
 So if the handle is the same, and the goof above me posts it is, why try to pic 3 winners when 2 is so much easier? 

 But most gamblers are not the sharpest tools in the shed and prove it by opening their mouth

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 02:31:45 PM »
People who would rather bet a pic 3 over a daily double are not too bright.  Take out on daily doubles is 19%  while the take out on a pic 3 is 25%.   
 So if the handle is the same, and the goof above me posts it is, why try to pic 3 winners when 2 is so much easier? 

 But most gamblers are not the sharpest tools in the shed and prove it by opening their mouth



Sorry to burst your bubble Einstein but focusing only on take out is why you fools are failures.

In another thread I posted the press release from the Meadowlands with their logic behind the changes.

Claiming the rolling DD was a popular bet with the T-breds was a primary reason given for the change.

Clearly the opening DD pool hasn't changed since the new format has taken effect.

The clueless thought they could carry forward those higher pools by replacing the pk3's with a DD.

A stupid idea to say the least.

Compounding that stupidity was thinking T-bred players might cross over and play harness DD's.

Won't happen!

Harness players rejected rolling DD pools because of the constant low payouts.

Chalk DD's paying $4.00 or less don't attract new money or new players regardless of the takeout.

The fact that you and these other idiots don't get this reality is why you should never be able to operate a racetrack.

Why would a guy who is just a gambler not a dedicated horse racing player bet into your stupid rolling DD pools because you have a lower takeout?

That guy isn't interested in your takeout he's concerned about his risk vs. reward and what mitigating factors he has control over. That guy is headed to a casino or betting on sports.....not your rolling DD's.

The value of the PK3 vs. Rolling DD's is only in the higher payouts that a new player sees on the tote board.

New Horse racing players are looking for those larger payouts for a small wager.

And it doesn't take that new player very long to figure out harness racing is not where it's at.

If you don't attract a new younger generation to horse racing then your obsession with takeout will get buried with your industry.



   
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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 02:44:53 PM »
With thoughts like that from swoodall, no wonder he is a big loser.. slow and steady wins the race, always has, always will

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2019, 02:52:57 PM »
People who would rather bet a pic 3 over a daily double are not too bright.  Take out on daily doubles is 19%  while the take out on a pic 3 is 25%.   
 So if the handle is the same, and the goof above me posts it is, why try to pic 3 winners when 2 is so much easier? 

 But most gamblers are not the sharpest tools in the shed and prove it by opening their mouth



One other small point for the marketing know nothings.

This conversation was had months ago when the clueless attacked me for slamming the stupidity of defending a $1 DD payout that was $1.78 in a DD pool at Dayton, I believe, that had less than $800 in the total pool.

The clueless defended this return because they focused on the ROI.

Of course this pool can't support a player making a large bet to make it worth it to play that particular DD.

And I said the average harness player isn't interested in playing that strong of a chalk DD.

Which is exactly what will happen when the big barns return to the Meadowlands with multiple entries in each race.

Smaller fields, lower payouts and cheating are killing the chances of attracting new players.

Not your takeout.

Every sunken ship had a captain who thought he knew what he was doing.

Even the Titanic. tmbz1 
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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 03:42:47 PM »
great bet,payoffs are way over what they should be

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Re: Anyone bet the rolling doubles at The Meadowlands?
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 04:56:40 PM »
I've played a few and thought the payoffs on my horses were more than fair. Theyve been pounding odds on horses. I like that; generally I'll play a longshot with a few live horses.

The last double in the 13 and 14 was generous. The chalk was pounded in the last.

The 7 in the 13th paid $4.40 and the 6 in the last $16.40.

I'd be happy if I hit that with the return.

I would think @ $45 to $50 should be the return there.

If you want to play doubles you can't wager on two chalks and you have to watch the probables and play one or two DD late.

 

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