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slivercharm

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2018, 06:06:10 PM »
So far in 2018 the two year old filly trotter Loussolataire
14 starts 8 wins
7/22 in to go at Haw
7/19 won by 20
7/18 won by 9
7/11 won   not charted
7/9 won by half
6/29 won by 3
6/28   3rd at Haw.
6/23 won by 6
plus 7 early starts


My early hambletonian pick
gonna start a syndicate betting balmoral, who wants to invest?

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2018, 08:19:44 PM »
Back in tonight Race 4

3rd start in 4 days

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2018, 08:54:29 PM »
Back in tonight Race 4

3rd start in 4 days

AND KEEPS JOGGING BY DAYLIGHT

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2018, 09:02:44 PM »
AND KEEPS JOGGING BY DAYLIGHT

I played against. Like the 5

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2018, 05:50:08 AM »
Here is an official reply from the ridiculous USTA.

We appreciate your concern regarding the 2 year old filly, Loussolataire. The proper treatment of our equine athletes is of utmost importance for the industry to continue, therefore we take matters as such very serious.  I personally reached out to the trainer this morning to discuss this particular filly. The trainer, Mr. Renard, who is also a veterinarian, indicated that the filly has been scratched for the 6/27 at Carlinville already, therefore she will not be racing on the 27th. He further mentioned that depending on how she does in the Hawthorne race, he may or may not race her on the 29th as well.  As a licensed professional in the field of animal care, Mr. Renard stated that under no circumstances would he train or race a horse in a manner which would knowingly be harmful for any of the horses in his care. Although, he stated that this filly, as all of his horses, are extremely durable enough to handle consecutive days of racing. When I look at the filly’s performance report, (8 starts-  3 wins, 1 second, 1 third  $ 7,758   2, 2:01.4 M), she shows that she is fairly durable.  He mentioned that the amount of training that he does in the early stages and the high amount of jog miles at that age create a solid base for his stock.  It appears that the training methods that Mr. Renard utilizes does provide success. As you see below, his trainer percentage is quite high, despite the small number of starts per year. Batting close to .500 would require a significant amount of care and consideration for the horse to stay at such a high level, so I would assume that Mr. Renard balances that considerably well.  In addition, from a regulatory standpoint, there are no reported violations of any kind connected to Steven Renard. 

In the early 90’s, you may remember when we raced multiple heats on the same day for our 2 and 3 year olds. For the most part, that practice has been abandoned for the reasons you have mentioned, although the USTA rules still permit such an action in the event that heat racing is needed. Lastly, to further show from a USTA regulation perspective, the following rule applies:

§ 14.03 Length of Race and Number of Heats.—Races or heats shall be given at a stated distance in units not shorter than a sixteenth of a mile.

(b) Two-Year-Old—No two-year-old shall be permitted to start in a heat or race exceeding one mile in distance and no two-year-old shall be permitted to race in more than two heats or dashes in any single day. Starting any two-year-old in violation of this rule shall subject the track member to a fine and the winnings of such two-year-old shall be declared unlawful.

Therefore, there are no current restrictions to racing multiple/consecutive days.

Trainer Summary   
    Class   Exp. Date
Current License:    General    09/30/2020


    Year   Purse Starts   1st   2nd   3rd   Money Won   UTRS   Mat. & Qual. Starts
    2018   16    5    2    3    $ 10,742   0.444    1
    2017   54    23    8    4    $ 48,779   0.533    2
    2016   30    12    5    5    $ 17,106   0.548    3
    2015   27    18    3    0    $ 21,886   0.728    0
    2014   19    9    6    2    $ 25,611   0.684    0


Respectfully,


TC Lane
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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2018, 08:24:45 AM »
Doesn't mean that they won't be in the kill pens at the end of their 3yold season because they have been rung dry of any go?? The USTA feels that if a conditioner has a high UTRS he must really be doing right by his stock...........g ive me a Fockin break!!
Come with me to the "Darkside",its a matter of life or death!!

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2018, 09:09:36 AM »
The USTA should not be issuing any statements other than to state they have made the state racing commission(s) aware of the matter.

Having :

TC Lane
Director of Registry and Member Services

issue an industry-wide response to this is hilarious.  Having concluded this assignment, TC Lane can go back to shuffling papers.


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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2018, 09:28:35 AM »
What TC doesn't know this horse is very tiny with little to no weight. Saw her in the bath stall Sunday night and she has to be lucky to be 14 hands. Also TC may not know this horse was broke as a weanling. Trained as a yearling. This VET slash trainer has another yearling out of this mare that is down to 2:20. A yearling! So where is this common place?

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2018, 09:29:39 AM »
TC will be getting my call in a few minutes.

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2018, 09:35:44 AM »
Well,

TC Lane has been around a while. He should know better.

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2018, 09:36:40 AM »
TC will be getting my call in a few minutes.
the man is a licensed Vet dude, they would never do a horse wrong.....you will just look foolish in the eyes of TC Lane!!
Come with me to the "Darkside",its a matter of life or death!!

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2018, 09:41:27 AM »
The guy has a UTRS over 500 !!!! TC Lane is very suspicious of the guys batting 148. Those are the guys who need to be investigated, those cheating buggers ngc3
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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2018, 10:19:33 AM »
What TC doesn't know this horse is very tiny with little to no weight. Saw her in the bath stall Sunday night and she has to be lucky to be 14 hands. Also TC may not know this horse was broke as a weanling. Trained as a yearling. This VET slash trainer has another yearling out of this mare that is down to 2:20. A yearling! So where is this common place?
So you are gonna dictate to a vet/trainer how often he should race his horse or how he should train it? Size don’t matter, he obviously does well with his training methods over a long period of years. Unless you have ownership in the horse or some kind of authority in the industry mind your own business.

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2018, 10:38:46 AM »
 Amazing how many horse fucks think that if you don't do it like I do it, you are doing it wrong.  And that if you are successful, you must be cheating.

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Re: Running 2yo into the ground
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2018, 11:20:53 AM »
Really Cigar a sucked up little pony racing back to back and then a few times a week? Seems a little over kill to nail down a 1,000 purse at the fair. What he has told a breeder is...he wants to have the winningest horse of the year and some type of trainer award. Yeah that spells class to me. And by the way nobody said he was cheating.

 

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