Another one off to stud

[SDST2009]

 

Actually, Cam Fella was a ridgling his entire life-----sold as a yearling, raced his entire career, and then went to stud as a ridgling as well. Later on, he developed cancer in his remaining testicle, and he was gelded.

 

[Brown jug]

cant see Ontario, too big of a fish for Ontario , bulldog was different, he wasn't bulldog when that was decided and he was owned by Canadians

i wold suggest hanover, captain is aging and while still performing they need a replacement

[JIDGE]

15k

Not even close. 5K -- maybe 6K if he comes up huge in his remaining starts. And huge meaning he
defeats Louprint. He was all out winning the Bluegrass in .48 against a sub-par field. And so far, there
hasn't been a successful son of Treacherous at stud.

[JIDGE]

Not sure where the obvious place to stand Louprint will be.  In PA you already have Lou plus Confederate.  No need to stand in KY given dual eligibility.  Indiana’s program is kind of bleh and I can’t see them standing something like that in NY with all the bull rings.  Ohio or New Jersey???

The logical place for Louprint is Ohio. Great market for a Jug winner and only one top tier stallion standing there. He should easily get 15K-20K.

[Laag]

so this is becoming ridiculous now...more and more studs but no top races horses for next year....i dont get the point, its so oversaturated

so not only Louprint but Searoc, Captain Optimistic, Sabonis, Abuckabett, now Nijinksy the latest and will Captain Albano be far behind. How can the sport sustain this when you have dominance from horses like Sweet Lou, Huntsville, Seaside and Treachous and Miki still popping out good ones and Confederates are coming soon and you still have Tall Dark Stranger and Perfect Stings with Pebble Beaches coming.

and yet we have a horse shortage..how is that possible

now Super Chapter off to stud and will Maryland be far behind. '

[Brown jug]

laag, you are correct and just like all markets it will correct
survival of the fittest in the short term
will certainly keep stud fees low on the mediocre ones and gives breeders lots of choice
of course still waiting for confederate, cannibal, legendary hanover etc so yes the market is flooded on both pacers and trotters
you would think that with the kentucky 4 yr old program ( which is excellent) and the aged series offered at yonkers that more owners would race at 4 and 5
but the quick money of breeding is to tempting, assume 100 bookings at  $10,000 per and you have $1,000,000 without racing
but if they don't hit in year one or two they are toast and quickly become an afterthought and a regional sire mostly for people breeding to race their own stock

[Meadow Ford]

the quick money of breeding is to tempting, assume 100 bookings at  $10,000 per and you have $1,000,000 without racing

100 bookings doesn't = 100 paid stud fees.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

laag, you are correct and just like all markets it will correct
survival of the fittest in the short term
will certainly keep stud fees low on the mediocre ones and gives breeders lots of choice
of course still waiting for confederate, cannibal, legendary hanover etc so yes the market is flooded on both pacers and trotters
you would think that with the kentucky 4 yr old program ( which is excellent) and the aged series offered at yonkers that more owners would race at 4 and 5
but the quick money of breeding is to tempting, assume 100 bookings at  $10,000 per and you have $1,000,000 without racing
but if they don't hit in year one or two they are toast and quickly become an afterthought and a regional sire mostly for people breeding to race their own stock

Age old argument. For a true, real, top horse, the class leader, even the second best horse, unfortunately, the economics dictate. If you have a farm willing to front the money, syndicate him, and then pay you the remainder, you simply can't race. Very little upside, and a lot of downside. It sucks, but it's the economics. The commercial breeders drive the boat and they are hurting the industry as a whole.

In this case, with your example, actually, if he breeds 100 mares, it's typically stud fee paid on live foal. Conservative figures are 80%, but many farms run calculations based upon 90% (depending on how he tested). So you have 80 to 90 paid stud fees.....if everyone pays, LOL. Also, don't forget the so called "year one" is not today, LOL. When the mares foal, they are weanlings, next year yearlings, and then the next year they hopefully hit the track as 2yo's. How they look, sell, and race.....each step gets you closer to success or failure, LOL.

[Meadow Ford]

In this case, with your example, actually, if he breeds 100 mares, it's typically stud fee paid on live foal. Conservative figures are 80%, but many farms run calculations based upon 90% (depending on how he tested). So you have 80 to 90 paid stud fees.....if everyone pays, LOL.

I think your conservative figure of 80% is way to generous.
You tell me what stud gets over 80%, and I will look it up.
I can't tell you paid fees, but I can easily look up number of registered foals.
example
Sweet Lou
year 2020 bred 140 mares
resulting regestrations 93 
  66,42%

[Kenny]

Some offspring name suggestions...

Little Boner
Big Boner
She Likes Boners
Bonissimo / Bonissima Boners 

Another classy post by the top loser of Horseplop.