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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Superfecta on May 10, 2023, 11:27:21 PM
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The whiney cunt is crying that he is losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and he wants another tax credit extender. Fuck him. If business is that bad then shut your doors and shut the fuck up already.
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The whiney cunt is crying that he is losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and he wants another tax credit extender. Fuck him. If business is that bad then shut your doors and shut the fuck up already.
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They took about $120k action last Friday 5/5, and $125k Saturday 5/6.
$250k in total action x @ 25% mutual cut = 62.5k - 84k purses = @ -21.5k. They would have to close the casino if they close the track, no, under a full gaming racino license?
They also operate under the same gaming license as Tioga, this sounds pretty complex.....in my old neighborhood instead of selling a "lemon" they'd burn it down....Jeff Gural playing monopoly, he keeps stealing the $500 free parking money and still goes bankrupt in record time!! ;D
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The guy was just the underbidder on a building in NY for 150 million. His wealth is substantial. Is there any other track owner that cries as much as him?
Maybe set rules there like he does at the Meadowlands, If you are currently stabled there, you have to spend $200 a month at the casino restaurants, ( per person on your stable roster), owners have to stay at least 4 nights at the hotel with no horseman's discount, and every owner has to spend $150 a month at the spa ( stable help is excused ).
Everyone also HAS to buy at least 1 winner's circle photo. All these rules will generate enough monies to offset any handle losses. It's a win, win situation.
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meet Pigland there Saturday night
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meet Pigland there Saturday night
Jeff will charge admission and you won't see a dime. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Hey Locked in with pace this is America, not JGUSA, he had his chance and failed with #1 harness track in North America - it's shitty and unsustainable racing, and failing with a Racino. He just has bad luck, he's a "Mush"!
Please wipe your chin, zip him up, and send Jeff on his way and stop encouraging INSANITY! tmbz1
See ya Saturday, PIGLAND!!! ;D
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Sources tell me new rules are on the way.
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Sources tell me new rules are on the way.
He puts up the money and makes all these holdings competitive, lobbies too (quietly) and stays the course or gets the fuck out NOW!
More like loopy scud missiles that will boomerang back to the bettors (and himself!!) and green lit by a bitchy, frugal, terrorist! ;D
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in tight with Biden
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in tight with Biden
Anyone in with anybody is weak!
Same clown car just a different color our lives are literally always in the hands of! ;D
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set rules there like he does at the Meadowlands,
If you are currently stabled there, you have to spend $200 a month at the casino restaurants, per person
owners have to stay at least 4 nights at the hotel with no horseman's discount,
every owner has to spend $150 a month at the spa ( stable help is excused ).
Everyone also HAS to buy at least 1 winner's circle photo.
This is all a joke, right?
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He can stick his BS rules up his fucking ass.
His little shit slot parlor sucks. Nobody is playing there with the Turning Stone 5 minutes away. His 6 horse races that run at the same time all of the other tracks are racing is a complete waste of time. Race at 9:00 in the morning when you are the only track going. STOP crying and lock your doors if your business can't make money on it's own.
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https://ustrottingnews.com/vernon-downs-casino-on-the-brink-of-closing/
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https://ustrottingnews.com/vernon-downs-casino-on-the-brink-of-closing/
We need more "closing" less "brinking" LOL! tmbz1
Unless that dude EPM who reports chaos, dead and hating blacks and mostly all on site news at Vernon Downs, I surmise an employee there, I don't want him to lose his job there - he'd be here day and night sounding off in the SOUND OFF! - and that thing would look like a non-stop stock market ticker! ngc3
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How many ties has JG threatened to move on from this money losing bust. A tiny shit ass slot parlor, a hotel far past its prime, "harness racing" with numerous 10 year olds and up, that may have the smallest pools in the country, all in the middle of nowhere. Just another victim of the gambling glut.
Stop the threats Jeffie and move on. No more state gifts, wrong area, zero entertainment value.
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How many ties has JG threatened to move on from this money losing bust. A tiny shit ass slot parlor, a hotel far past its prime, "harness racing" with numerous 10 year olds and up, that may have the smallest pools in the country, all in the middle of nowhere. Just another victim of the gambling glut.
Stop the threats Jeffie and move on. No more state gifts, wrong area, zero entertainment value.
tmbz1 ngc3 tmbz1 True dat!
And the biggest JG elephant in the Jeff Gural Vernon Downs room - the Turning Stone Casino and Resort of the Oneida Indian Nation competition, neighbor and free of NY state taxes...LOL....pi ck your spots better JG, pick your spots buddy! ;D
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tmbz1 ngc3 tmbz1 True dat!
And the biggest JG elephant in the Jeff Gural Vernon Downs room - the Turning Stone Casino and Resort of the Oneida Indian Nation competition, neighbor and free of NY state taxes...LOL....pi ck your spots better JG, pick your spots buddy! ;D
The Turning Stone Casino pays New York State about 25% of the slot revenue. It isn't a 100% free ride. I'm sure it's a lot more than what Jeff pays.
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The Turning Stone Casino pays New York State about 25% of the slot revenue. It isn't a 100% free ride. I'm sure it's a lot more than what Jeff pays.
I know, point taken....They don't exactly have the infrastructure to have a government - courts, prisons, big infrastructure, etc, they do just fine though lol! No federal taxes too for those gaming operations! ;D
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Will the state give up $2 million for $11 million and keep 250 jobs ?? They give start up companies more than that only to have them go broke in a couple years.
He threatened to close the place a few years ago . The state called his bluff and he locked the doors. Took just a few days before they came to an agreement. As I remember he paid all the employees for the week they didn’t work.
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Will the state give up $2 million for $11 million and keep 250 jobs ?? They give start up companies more than that only to have them go broke in a couple years.
He threatened to close the place a few years ago . The state called his bluff and he locked the doors. Took just a few days before they came to an agreement. As I remember he paid all the employees for the week they didn’t work.
ngc3 Fantasy Land! ngc3
Fuck ar&e llc, the horseman and owners, nys, jeff gural, the lazy drug attic oneida tribe, the entire 5408 population of vernon, and VAGINA DOWNS --
they all in their capacity should serve the customer - the GAMBLER, constantly we give they take and they rob and rape us - WHO CARES, and CRIES TRIES FOR US! tmbz1
The entire situation and involved parties can fall into a landfill and be devoured by its ANUS shit out and land on your lawn, PAL! ;D
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Hey Locked in with pace this is America, not JGUSA, he had his chance and failed with #1 harness track in North America - it's shitty and unsustainable racing, and failing with a Racino. He just has bad luck, he's a "Mush"!
Please wipe your chin, zip him up, and send Jeff on his way and stop encouraging INSANITY! tmbz1
See ya Saturday, PIGLAND!!! ;D
tmbz1
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like his rules or not,Vernon will shut down without Gural.Nwhy not let him have a real casino at Vernon
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I would hate to see it go. Do they ever come back once closed? Was there twice as a teen probably around 1970 and remember what seemed like a nice little town in the middle of nowhere. At the restaurant for supper I think everyone in the place had a program spread on the table. Oh and that unique 3/4 mile coming out of a chute was something I'd only heard about but still stands out today.
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Why doesn't he sell the place to the Oneida Indians. They would turn that track and casino around into a money making place.
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Gural loves the game has put more money in it then all you jerk could ever dream about why should he lose money for a bunch of dead beat horsemen he is very rich cause he knows what he is doing it is his call he can live with it.
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Gural loves the game has put more money in it then all you jerk could ever dream about why should he lose money for a bunch of dead beat horsemen he is very rich cause he knows what he is doing it is his call he can live with it.
If he knows what he is doing, why is Vernon such a failure?
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It has always been a matter of when, not if. To bad. The NYSS program will suffer.
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Why doesn't he sell the place to the Oneida Indians. They would turn that track and casino around into a money making place.
It's a nice thought, however it would be a lateral exchange with the Oneida Indians, because dumbest white Hebrew billionaire in NYS & NJS already runs his 3 tracks like he's smoking mushrooms and banging meth just like them - there can be no foreseeable improvement! ;D
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Gural loves the game has put more money in it then all you jerk could ever dream about why should he lose money for a bunch of dead beat horsemen he is very rich cause he knows what he is doing it is his call he can live with it.
Your favorite white Hebrew genius billionaire the anti-moses, he's literally the gaming antichrist to Jesus, Oh mighty Jeffrey has made it storm wickedly with amateur races and $8k purses from a beautiful day onto HIS CHOSEN GAMBLERS! We have a beautiful Star of David waiting to PIN HIM ON! ;D
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Breaking news.....AND THE RECIPIENT........ of the Golden 2023 Donald J. Trump award in Casino, Track & Gaming Executive Excellence is Awarded to:
Jeffrey Gural!!! lok55
ngc3 ----> The gambler :1 76za.dcg 95xz.2 15za.bd 11.tb <----The Horsemen ngc3
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Gural only cars about money. He and his partners bought the two Ny tracks thinking that they were going to get a full casino license. They also leased the Meadowlands believing the same thing. I heard him say at Vernon last year that he was going to close the Meadowlands within ten years. He doesn't care he will be dead by that time. It wouldn't matter if they were full casinos because he has no idea how to run them or the tracks.
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I respect your opinion, concerning Gural. So, if Jeffery was not involved in Vernon or Tioga, and they were run by others, they would be in better shape?
Vernon Downs has not turned a profit in over 20 years. Tioga's last profit was never. As a Quarter Horse track, it never made a dime. I don't think it is Jeffery's fault.
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I respect your opinion, concerning Gural. So, if Jeffery was not involved in Vernon or Tioga, and they were run by others, they would be in better shape?
Vernon Downs has not turned a profit in over 20 years. Tioga's last profit was never. As a Quarter Horse track, it never made a dime. I don't think it is Jeffery's fault.
Location Location Location exactly....the anti-moses took what ever he could that no one else wanted, ya know it's bad when the lowest bidder wins!!! 73cv.2
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tmbz1 ngc3 tmbz1 True dat!
And the biggest JG elephant in the Jeff Gural Vernon Downs room - the Turning Stone Casino and Resort of the Oneida Indian Nation competition, neighbor and free of NY state taxes...LOL....pi ck your spots better JG, pick your spots buddy! ;D
ONE (Oneida Nation Enterprises) pays their fair share. They do right locally and have provided more infrastructure spurring non native growth.
Get a clue
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I know, point taken....They don't exactly have the infrastructure to have a government - courts, prisons, big infrastructure, etc, they do just fine though lol! No federal taxes too for those gaming operations! ;D
Wrong again. They have their own police, own entire government, own jails and substations. They have a very nice court house.
You talk about everything but its evident you have no clue about anything.
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Since day 1 of Jeff gural the storyline changes or the goalposts are moved to suit his most recent ploy.
Jeff gural is the sole reason vernon is failing. Rather then stick to his plans he has lied, cheated, and changed paths so many times he has no support.
Jeff needs to revisit his plans from the very first day he got involved. Then make notes of all his dementia driven drivel and maybe issue some apologies to the folks he has disenfranchised and make amends to those he has alienated.
But he’s old and rich so he’ll just continue to be a bully and ignore what he’s created.
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Juice you are right.
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Since day 1 of Jeff gural the storyline changes or the goalposts are moved to suit his most recent ploy.
Jeff gural is the sole reason vernon is failing. Rather then stick to his plans he has lied, cheated, and changed paths so many times he has no support.
Jeff needs to revisit his plans from the very first day he got involved. Then make notes of all his dementia driven drivel and maybe issue some apologies to the folks he has disenfranchised and make amends to those he has alienated.
But he’s old and rich so he’ll just continue to be a bully and ignore what he’s created.
This is the best opinion we will see on this subject.
Respect tmbz1
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Wrong again. They have their own police, own entire government, own jails and substations. They have a very nice court house.
You talk about everything but its evident you have no clue about anything.
No, you're absolutely wrong, they have some infrastructure to handle tidleywink bs like just about all Indian Nations....now you are going to force the Ploppers to read and they hate that shit!
https://www.oneidaindiannation.com/court/
The NYS compact with their tribe (78 pages):
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:17pCwd1I1CgJ:https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/oin_settlement_agreement.pdf&cd=25&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d
Their VP - PIO will be calling me back as per their Exec Sec Sean, and I'll get more layman specifics to report herein....Don't be waiving that finger at me Junky without washing that thing....smells like asshole ass! ;D
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Juice you are right.
Juice Junky makes very limited faceted arguments, he's an aspecific biased pundit, NOT STUPID though, and he provides no evidence ie "cheating", evidence Junky!, not just on your say so and lead the ignorant herein off your cliff bro!
Add that one to your stack of losing tickets and you ladder up to the moon! ;D
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Was there back in the 70’s working for McNulty, Gene Sears, Don Larlee, et al. The barn area would get all the big stables at that time coming through each summer, e.g., Castleton Farms (trainer Glen Garnsey), Billy Haughton, Stanley Dancer, etc, etc.
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Gural absolutely does not care if the tracks make money - period. But he does care if the slots parlor and casino do. And…..he cares about the employees of both.
I don’t know if it’s still true today…..but there was a time a few years ago, Tioga was the only profitable (non-Indian) casino in the state. And that includes the $80,000 to $100,000 per day/night loss he takes on the racing.
NYS - 11,000,000 or 13,000,000 … would that 2,000,000 even be noticeable on the ledger? It’s actually less than that when various taxes on the employment is are considered.
If not for the whacky governor, I’d say a deal gets struck. But that woman is OUT THERE.
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He'll never close Vernon. He's playing the "threaten Game" trying to get tax relief.
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Back about 10 years ago, then Gov. Cuomo was throwing a temper tantrum about the Oneida Nation not paying the state a dime in the agreed tax schedule. So, Andy put together a deal that gave the Oneida Indian Nation exclusive rights to a vast market. A market that handcuffed Vernon Downs and their casino. It also Gerrymandered the voting districts to give almost exclusive control to his Democratic party.
It was so favoring the Indians, Vernon could not even advertise in neighboring counties. Yet, The Oneida Nation could do as they please even, advertise in front of Vernon downs.
Vernon Racino got the kiss of death 10 years ago. It has been granted concessions from the state for reduced taxes, giving it a couple years of life. But, at an age of almost 80 with no apparent heirs interested in a country casino that has a clientele of almost the same age, time to let it all go.
But don't kid yourself, nobody before Jeffery and nobody after him will give what he has given to VD.
Time waits for no one.
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Back about 10 years ago, then Gov. Cuomo was throwing a temper tantrum about the Oneida Nation not paying the state a dime in the agreed tax schedule. So, Andy put together a deal that gave the Oneida Indian Nation exclusive rights to a vast market. A market that handcuffed Vernon Downs and their casino. It also Gerrymandered the voting districts to give almost exclusive control to his Democratic party.
It was so favoring the Indians, Vernon could not even advertise in neighboring counties. Yet, The Oneida Nation could do as they please even, advertise in front of Vernon downs.
Vernon Racino got the kiss of death 10 years ago. It has been granted concessions from the state for reduced taxes, giving it a couple years of life. But, at an age of almost 80 with no apparent heirs interested in a country casino that has a clientele of almost the same age, time to let it all go.
But don't kid yourself, nobody before Jeffery and nobody after him will give what he has given to VD.
Time waits for no one.
tmbz1
From my perspective as a race analyst / gambler to always be cognizant of 3 things perpetually in the aforementioned (relative to this discussion) and in my life too:
Be Honest
Be Objective
Be Wiser than have a zero sum solution mindset
You know your shit, it really can't be said better. Very good prognostication and final memory too - exactly like that.
It made me think to look on a map of what's been within 75 miles of both the racino and casino as Vernon itself is so tiny and unsustainable. If anyone has driven through Atlantic City 25 years ago, they know how a huge gambling footprint impacts a city, devastating for the weak minded.
I wish the communities well, and it's time to rid at least from the race track perspective and consolidate with what works, making ie larger pools, better energy...It's such a disaster that the BigY and BigM would literally have to combine their best assets to make one excellent Meadowlands of the old....how fucked up is that! ;D
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Back about 10 years ago, then Gov. Cuomo was throwing a temper tantrum about the Oneida Nation not paying the state a dime in the agreed tax schedule. So, Andy put together a deal that gave the Oneida Indian Nation exclusive rights to a vast market. A market that handcuffed Vernon Downs and their casino. It also Gerrymandered the voting districts to give almost exclusive control to his Democratic party.
It was so favoring the Indians, Vernon could not even advertise in neighboring counties. Yet, The Oneida Nation could do as they please even, advertise in front of Vernon downs.
Vernon Racino got the kiss of death 10 years ago. It has been granted concessions from the state for reduced taxes, giving it a couple years of life. But, at an age of almost 80 with no apparent heirs interested in a country casino that has a clientele of almost the same age, time to let it all go.
But don't kid yourself, nobody before Jeffery and nobody after him will give what he has given to VD.
Time waits for no one.
He’s given exactly zero to Vernon Downs. Its the exact same building that looks the exact same as it did the day he took over. The racino was already built, every bit of what’s there was there aside from his bullshit tote board upgrades that just covered up parts that he didn’t want to spend a few thousand to fix.
All he did was take over with a clean license compared to the prior ownership. He settled the debts of the old owners for pennies on the dollar with the promise of future business to those left short. 95% of those never got a penny of work and were told their prices were to high.
Just like retail theft when someone shorts a business the price for the other customers goes up. Jeff wants everything given to him while he pads his legacy with what he’s stealing from everyone he can.
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He’s given exactly zero to Vernon Downs. Its the exact same building that looks the exact same as it did the day he took over. The racino was already built, every bit of what’s there was there aside from his bullshit tote board upgrades that just covered up parts that he didn’t want to spend a few thousand to fix.
All he did was take over with a clean license compared to the prior ownership. He settled the debts of the old owners for pennies on the dollar with the promise of future business to those left short. 95% of those never got a penny of work and were told their prices were to high.
Just like retail theft when someone shorts a business the price for the other customers goes up. Jeff wants everything given to him while he pads his legacy with what he’s stealing from everyone he can.
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Thank you very much! Excellent stuff! ;D
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its a money pit ,nobody else would still be open
we are luck he stayed ope this long,does anyone think they could do better?
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its a money pit ,nobody else would still be open
we are luck he stayed ope this long,does anyone think they could do better?
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That's an excellent, unique point.....nobody reasonably could do better, geographically there impossible with out a partner like Disney, Universal, 6 flags, his billionaire dollars and friends to build something unreal and attract people from all over the USA and because of the climate you'd need year round amusement stuff like water parks, rides and ice skating, skiing...nuts, you're right! ;D
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Lest we forget…..Gural doesn’t even own the slots at Vernon. Early on, when he battled the state for a fairer cut, he said; if I close Vernon I’ll shutter Tioga (when it was still a racino) as well. The state replied they’d keep operating their slots anyway. Gural’s question to to them was WHERE? Not on my property. He got his deal that time.
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If the decision-makers are Democrats, he'll get what he wants and more.
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What he wants is to close.
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And…..he cares about the employees of both.
These quotes are from someone that used to work for Mr. Gural.
"Gural cares so much about the employees that they can't get a warm meal on a high business volume day because they don't have a proper employee dining room."
"When alerted by his staff about his toxic workplace he looked his suits in the face, promised to fix it and forbade his supervisors/pit managers to be part of the union. Tioga is the only casino of the 4 state controlled casinos without a union. As a result they're by far the lowest paid in NYS."
"When meeting a couple that came here from DelLago, when they found out I came from Tioga the first words out of the wife's mouth was "you were grossly underpaid weren't you?" How embarrassing."
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If the decision-makers are Democrats, he'll get what he wants and more.
He (Geff "Toto" Jural) donates to both sides of the aisle but the majority Dems for sure, NY, NYS is heavily weighted Dems obviously, he personally goes in this direction I dunno, but his biz interests are there so he has too. They all 11.zq , dems and repubs, you do this from me, I do that for you!
He donated $66k to this thing called the "HILLARY VICTORY FUND" in 2016, how did that work out?! ngc3 I could of swayed that money to Horseplop and PIGLAND for all the time his people spend here advocating and hawking! 73cv.2
Where all his money political money goes:
https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/jeffrey-gural.asp?cycle=16
Please don't convince me the dems and repubs don't both suck, you'll lose royally! I can't stand them equally! ;D
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I guess you missed the part where he was appointed Director of the Public Buildings Reform Board, by President Biden.
His 100% democrat.
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I guess you missed the part where he was appointed Director of the Public Buildings Reform Board, by President Biden.
His 100% democrat.
And Trump pardoned Blagovich... 73cv.2
Biden's list of political appointees....mos tly dems, but repubs too....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_appointments_by_Joe_Biden
Bro, the DNC, RNC, Toto Jural, could fall into a volcano and if they survived the lava there should be starving crocodiles waiting at the bottom....problem is once you pick a side they become your eyes and ears and your life is in their hands.....that's for dumb people, I'm excused! ;D
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I guess you missed the part where he was appointed Director of the Public Buildings Reform Board, by President Biden.
His 100% democrat.
One of his best political buddies, as it relates to harness racing, was Senator Libous R (deceased)
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One of his best political buddies, as it relates to harness racing, was Senator Libous R (deceased)
Don’t forget Harrison (Pete) Williams
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Here's a solution. Vote Republican and be in the pluses +++
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Why doesn't anybody here find out how much money is in the horseman's purse account? Rumor has it there is a decent amount there. If Vernon does close, the horsemen racing there better drain that account to zero, otherwise another potential scandal could occur!
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Why doesn't anybody here find out how much money is in the horseman's purse account? Rumor has it there is a decent amount there. If Vernon does close, the horsemen racing there better drain that account to zero, otherwise another potential scandal could occur!
Point well made. But the threat to close is a annual threat, that seems to have little to no face value any longer.