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Title: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Six Pence on March 14, 2023, 03:41:58 PM
Hoosier Park wants to be considered as one of the top three  harness tracks in North America.  They already have the horse power but are sorely lacking in track management.  They rape the purse account to put on the Breeder's Crown every three years but do their damndest to ruin the spectacle.  They don't even mow the weeds in the paddock that is used for the BC.  They didn't have enough seating in the past so what do they do but remove 800 seats permanently.  Can you imagine spending all of the money that is deemed necessary to have a BC entry and not having a place for you or your spouse to be seated.  You won't have much better luck if you decide to make it up to your spouse by dining at the track.  All eating establishments are closed except for the steak house.  You better hope your entry gets a check because a steak dinner for two will set you back a couple hundred dollars.  Another example of the bright boys and girls who make the management decision is the proposal that once a horse is stabled on the grounds, it will not be allowed to leave until the meet is over.  If it leaves it will not be allowed to return.  They now have cameras in all of the wash stalls to complement the cameras in all of the other stalls.  Needless to say, those who stable off track have all of the advantages and that is why 99% of the cheating takes place there.
 
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 14, 2023, 05:02:49 PM
Omfg

Just don’t race there then

Just don’t eat there then

Just don’t go there then

And all your worries and problems are  OVVAH  tmbz1
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Yonkers1A on March 14, 2023, 05:37:19 PM
Pocono put in outdoor seating to handle the overflow, it was f-ing cold, I went into the Casino and played craps
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 14, 2023, 05:43:51 PM
Pocono put in outdoor seating to handle the overflow, it was f-ing cold, I went into the Casino and played craps

I was there that night with1417 and few others guys

Rain and cold all night

Worse BREEDERS ever
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 14, 2023, 05:54:03 PM
All I've heard was good things about Hoosier Park and how well it's run. I've had a horse race there once. Licensing was real easy. Only minor complaint was from a groom who said the distant between the paddock and the club house was a long way. The feedback concerning the BC was that it was first class.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Frank Deglomine on March 14, 2023, 11:18:08 PM
Hop is without a doubt the best overall place to race horses bar none. Homer and Connie and jay have raced horses at every track that ever existed. If you don’t like it then don’t race here. And the management and staff is second to none. Scott our race secretary knows his shit and Rick Moore ford one hell of a job running the ship. Mike chamberlain is probably the top race announcer in the country. If you don’t like hop then there is no hope for you. Here’s to opening week next week! Let’s rock. Keep an eye out for our horses when the money is on the line. Jay has them ready to go.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Six Pence on March 16, 2023, 11:06:27 AM
Omfg

Just don’t race there then

Just don’t eat there then

Just don’t go there then

And all your worries and problems are  OVVAH  tmbz1
None of your comments address the real issues as noted in the original post.  Maybe that's why Ricky and Jamie kicked you to the curb.  Sometimes fractional owners just aren't worth the BS that they bring with them.  Not being an Indiana resident, you really don't care about the long term impact of bad management on Indiana racing.  Now you are with an off track out of state trainer who doesn't give you any attention.  Don't feel bad........he doesn't give any of his major owners much attention either.  You and Frank keep drinking that Amish Kool-Aid.  It helps you ignore the real symptoms and issues.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 16, 2023, 11:49:03 AM
  yes maybe if you get your fckin info correct u can reply

i have three indy breds  with jamie and 12 other indy breds  with  erv of
which i own  at least 50 percent on most of them which u can verify with hoosierpark bookeeper ..those are FACTS

but dont let facts get in the way OF YOUR BITCHING..

now tell me some more how bad it is at hoosier ngc3 ngc3

again u dont like hoosier  dont fckin race or go there ..

just PLEASE DONT RUIN IT FOR OTHERS THAT LIKE THE TRACK AND FACILITY
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Harness racer on March 16, 2023, 12:08:09 PM
I've actually started to like Hoosier.  I'd bet there before most places.  Tough break on some of your horses being driven by Ricky the Retard.  He's the worst!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: polish jola on March 16, 2023, 12:40:17 PM
I would like them better if they raised the purses!!!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 16, 2023, 12:43:19 PM
I would like them better if they raised the purses!!!

I heard up ten percent coming soon  tmbz1
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: HarnessFan1981 on March 16, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
On condition sheet, lowest 6.5K and highest 22K. Not too bad honestly.
If goes up 10% or more down the road, good news!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 16, 2023, 12:56:06 PM
Having the BC there has to show it's a good facility.  Look how many tracks never get to host it. Looking forward to possibly going there this year.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: racing123 on March 16, 2023, 01:39:44 PM
maybe hawthorne can get BC next year,,,,everyone can pile in on the turn 40 yards past the finish line and watch the races up close!!  And if that's not your thing?  The dining area inside with TVs and SAM machines from the 1980s is another option....oh wait, there is no dining area any more...HAWTY!! THE IN TOWN TRACK AND SOON TO BE RACINO!!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: polish jola on March 16, 2023, 02:25:03 PM
It would be nice to see purses, especially ISS bred stakes raised, like Ohio has done!!
400K finals!!!  THAT'S IMPRESSIVE!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 16, 2023, 02:33:19 PM
It would be nice to see purses, especially ISS bred stakes raised, like Ohio has done!!
400K finals!!!  THAT'S IMPRESSIVE!

Ohio has  4 legs and final

Hoosierpark has 6 for two yr olds and 8 legs  for 3 yr olds and a final

It works to be about the same
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: polish jola on March 16, 2023, 03:28:42 PM
Luc--You and I know, the trick is to get one at the sale, OR raise your own!!  Then, train them from November to June, hoping to avoid any type of injury. Then Qualify them, hoping they are good enough to go with the ISS horses, and finally, make it thru the Summer without injury, to Super Night!!! Much easier said than done!!  All that said, we have a piece of 1 this year.  GOOD LUCK, I know you went pretty strong into Indy babies, last Fall!!!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 16, 2023, 03:37:53 PM
It would be nice to see purses, especially ISS bred stakes raised, like Ohio has done!!
400K finals!!!  THAT'S IMPRESSIVE!
Only real change in the Ohio stakes program I can see is they added a 5th leg. As far as 100k per leg there probably will be at least 2 to 3 divisions which will bring it back down to 40 to 50k which it is now. And the 400k final as I understand is really the same 300k final with a 100k consol. That's how I am reading it. The hardest part I can see is trying to complete against the large stables. I know the Burkes and Brown stables have the monopoly on the Seasides this year.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 16, 2023, 04:21:11 PM
Luc--You and I know, the trick is to get one at the sale, OR raise your own!!  Then, train them from November to June, hoping to avoid any type of injury. Then Qualify them, hoping they are good enough to go with the ISS horses, and finally, make it thru the Summer without injury, to Super Night!!! Much easier said than done!!  All that said, we have a piece of 1 this year.  GOOD LUCK, I know you went pretty strong into Indy babies, last Fall!!!

Thks

See how it goes

4 if the five colts are doing good

1 a little immature

I’m a little light on two yr old fillies.  Just 2

My three yr olds training down superbly

It’s all luck JOLA

U KNOW THIS

GOOD LUCK TO U tmbz1 also
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: polish jola on March 16, 2023, 05:42:22 PM
If We are lucky, we could have a decent horse!!  The top Indy breds are really, really competitive!!  They can go with anyone, anywhere!!  Look at Soaring Now, $5000 purchase at a secondary sale!!  Made over $500K in two years!!  Racing Monday at Yonkers in the Borgata as a 4 YO!!  Go Figure????
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: polish jola on March 16, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
SORRY!!! He sold for $6000, Hip #342, 2020 Hoosier Classic Sale!!  My mistake!!  Mr. Miller from Kentucky got real lucky!!  Kudos to him!!!
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: caddy on March 16, 2023, 10:07:20 PM
Omfg

Just don’t race there then

Just don’t eat there then

Just don’t go there then

And all your worries and problems are  OVVAH  tmbz1

there's not a darned thing wrong w/ the criticism.  You need to think about it, Luc !  The harness racing sport is on it's last leg.  People that care ask for reasonable support.  Instead, you persecute a guy making a totally valid point.

I personally, really like Hoosier.  However, it's on the same downward spiral that Hollywood sent Dayton on.  Dayton was everybpdy's favorite.  The proximity of the paddock to the track ... the well lit, clean paddock.  Now, it's an afterthought to sports betting.

These slights by the casinos is being brought on by timid horsemen begging that the sport hangs on.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Six Pence on March 16, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
To Rocco and the others who have missed the point.........I care deeply about Hoosier Park if for no other reason than I can remember how hard it was to race Standardbreds in Indiana before Hoosier existed.  Sure, a lot of trainers got rich quick and bought new trucks and trailers but that was to be expected because it had happened before when other states got slots.  Now it is taken for granted that Hoosier Park racing will always be there and guess what? There ain't no promises and with the management in charge at Hoosier Park, there may be no racing in ten years as we know it now.  The ownership has it's track record and it doesn't include racing and they gradually let the place fall apart.  (i.e. Pompano or Scioto).  I have been fortunate enough to get some nice chunks of the Sires Stake money but I know it is not promised and can't count on it in the future.  Will the bluster and buffoonery
please stop and try to comment on the issues in the original post.  It is very easy to identify the non-residents who will move on to another state when Hoosier Park dries up.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 16, 2023, 11:16:59 PM
Nobody Missed your Points I don’t agree with your point again you don’t like Hoosier don’t go there that’s my point you don’t want to race there don’t go there
 I don’t really give a fuck what happens in 10 years I might be dead  in 10 years so I live for today and today there’s Racing at Hoosier Park which I support and will always support. And I personally enjoy their track casino and racing tremendously

THATS MY FUCKING POINT

YOU GLOOM AND DOOM PEOPLE GOTTA FCKIN STOP

ITS RIDICULOUS
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 16, 2023, 11:22:26 PM
To Rocco and the others who have missed the point.........I care deeply about Hoosier Park if for no other reason than I can remember how hard it was to race Standardbreds in Indiana before Hoosier existed.  Sure, a lot of trainers got rich quick and bought new trucks and trailers but that was to be expected because it had happened before when other states got slots.  Now it is taken for granted that Hoosier Park racing will always be there and guess what? There ain't no promises and with the management in charge at Hoosier Park, there may be no racing in ten years as we know it now.  The ownership has it's track record and it doesn't include racing and they gradually let the place fall apart.  (i.e. Pompano or Scioto).  I have been fortunate enough to get some nice chunks of the Sires Stake money but I know it is not promised and can't count on it in the future.  Will the bluster and buffoonery
please stop and try to comment on the issues in the original post.  It is very easy to identify the non-residents who will move on to another state when Hoosier Park dries up.
I think Hoosier Park is run by Caesar's Entertainment the same as Scioto Downs.  Caesar just upgraded Scioto with a new grandstand this year so they are making capital improvements to the racetrack.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 16, 2023, 11:27:30 PM
Most tracks do not want the Breeders Crown because it cost the track money.
Do you know that for sure. Seem like it would be a money maker.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Overcheck on March 16, 2023, 11:55:29 PM
If we could replace Scioto Downs with Hoosier Park facility (and hospitality), and keep the Ohio purses then we would really have something. Plus the bigger track would be a good compliment to the 5/8 Dayton and MVG. 
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: The Exporter on March 17, 2023, 05:44:06 AM
"... I don’t really give a fuck what happens in 10 years I might be dead  in 10 years so I live for today..." A very common attitude in harness racing.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 17, 2023, 07:33:41 AM
"... I don’t really give a fuck what happens in 10 years I might be dead  in 10 years so I live for today..." A very common attitude in harness racing.

That’s correct  tmbz1
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: Open bridle on March 17, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
If it was a money maker then why is it only hosted by the same four tracks? There are several markets bigger than Pocono for example.
The BC was rotated between all tracks until 1999. I remember when they broke up the classes between tracks too. Why it's only four now I don't know the answer. It's funded by the Hamiltonian Society and the breeders and you would think they would have the money to make it profitable for the venues.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: LUCPARK on March 17, 2023, 09:40:36 AM
If it was a money maker then why is it only hosted by the same four tracks? There are several markets bigger than Pocono for example.

its actually only 3 tracks now

Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: MikeAnt on March 17, 2023, 08:28:50 PM
BC coming to Hawthorne Racine in 2024. Book it.
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: HoppleBurns on March 17, 2023, 10:44:37 PM
BC coming to Hawthorne Racine in 2024. Book it.

 ngc3. They can't even book the racino...
Title: Re: Hoosier Park will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Post by: MikeAnt on March 17, 2023, 11:12:40 PM
2024 Carey said big night for BC. They are starting on all landscaping and remodel in June.
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